Report - Flameman

[Jack White]

Directed to: SAPD authority.
SAPD Officer Policy violators:

1. FlameMan - Was RPing with Hubbe since he was a suspect, we then proceeded to frisk him and found no gun, since his crime was "shot". We had no evidence of him being in posession of an firearm, since he never opened fire on us, at all. I asked for the unsuspection in the radio for an unsuspection and he got it. I later got PMs from FlameMan and he copbanned me for "[00:15:06] You have been banned from being a cop for 2 hour(s).
[00:15:06] Reason: Incorrect unsuspection request - possible corruption, unsuspecting valid suspect"
After I asked him about the copban, he copbanned me for TWO more days.
[00:17:40] You were uncopbanned from duty and you should be able to use /duty now!

[00:17:42] You have been banned from being a cop for 2 day(s).

[00:17:42] Reason: Punishment extension for moaning

[00:17:42] Player successfully banned from police work.

• How did he know it was invalid, while not being at the scene RPing with the suspect?
• How am I corrupt? I just performed my job as a LEO.
• How was the crime valid when he had NO guns after I frisked him?

I think this is a invalid reason to copban, when I ONLY performed my job as a LEO. He was not at the scene, he did not see anything as long as he didnt use his admin commands to check if he had guns. He told me to ask witnesses, but how could I know who was the witnesses? He told me to ask the suspecting officer, but I did clearly see no reason for that when he did never open fire at all, at any situation, under any circumstances. He did not posess a firearm.
2. Officer's Department - I don't know.























Date: 13.07.2012
Time: Approximately 00:10 - 00:20

Civillian(s) involved: HubbeStubbe, Diddeh Maddox

Signed
Jack White.

[FlameMan]

Whole report regarding this situation and a copban has been provided to all SAPD Command members, as a justification of your copban.
It will not be revealed in public.

However, I would like to ask one thing regarding this:
"How was the crime valid when he had NO guns after I frisked him?"

A suspect is wanted for a fire degree murder - after kiling someone with a combat shotgun.
You stop the suspect after 20 minutes, frisk him and find no weapons. You obviously unsuspect because he's got no weapons, right?

Another example. A guy is suspected for bank robbery and stealing huge amount of money. You stop him a few minutes later and frisk. He's got no weapon and no money on him.
You obviously unsuspect because he's got no weapons and no stolen money, right?


The points I've taken into consideration are:
1) HubbeStubbe is your friend.
2) Your "investigation" happened in a private car (you were on the top of a vehicle, Hubbe was driving and another police guy was sitting there as well)
3) You did not confirm anything with suspecting officer
4) You did not ask for witnesses

Therefore, I found it as corruption. I banned you for 2 hours at first but after you started moaning and saying that I am "the problem", and after reviewing your copbans history (which is impressing, as you know) - I decided to extend it to two days.

After I asked him about the copban, he copbanned me for TWO more days

Yeah this was your "question" about the copban:

[00:15:31] <Jack_White.> (4) What teh f**k?
[00:15:34] PM to Jack_White.(4): Next time you will check before asking to unsuspect
[00:15:34] <Jack_White.> (4) Are you f**king serious?
[00:15:39] PM to Jack_White.(4): Yes I am
[00:15:39] PM from Jack_White.(4): Sorry for RPing
[00:16:00] PM to Jack_White.(4): You roleplayed wrong, it is not an admin punishment
[00:16:04] PM to Jack_White.(4): it is ARPD punishment
[00:16:18] PM from Jack_White.(4): How could you RPly know he had a gun when we frisked him and didnt find one?
[00:16:26] PM to Jack_White.(4): You should have asked suspecting officer
[00:16:29] PM to Jack_White.(4): And witnesses
[00:16:39] PM to Jack_White.(4): Officer who suspected is online
[00:16:47] PM to Jack_White.(4): And you didn't investigate in a PD
[00:16:48] PM from Jack_White.(4): What if he was corrupt and we found no guns? We cant keep him suspect without evidence
[00:16:56] PM to Jack_White.(4): There are witnesses
[00:17:02] PM from Jack_White.(4): We frisked him at the car, I dont see a problem
[00:17:07] PM to Jack_White.(4): But right now you seemed corrupt
[00:17:07] PM from Jack_White.(4): I cant smell the witnesses
[00:17:18] PM to Jack_White.(4): I do see a problem, a pretty big one
[00:17:29] PM to Jack_White.(4): Next time you will think before acting
[00:17:30] PM from Jack_White.(4): You are the problem

[00:17:50] Jack_White.(4) has been banned from being a cop by [MA]FlameMan(36) for 2 day(s).
[00:17:50] Reason: Punishment extension for moaning

[Jack White]

Whole report regarding this situation and a copban has been provided to all SAPD Command members, as a justification of your copban.
It will not be revealed in public.

However, I would like to ask one thing regarding this:
"How was the crime valid when he had NO guns after I frisked him?"

A suspect is wanted for a fire degree murder - after kiling someone with a combat shotgun.
You stop the suspect after 20 minutes, frisk him and find no weapons. You obviously unsuspect because he's got no weapons, right?

Another example. A guy is suspected for bank robbery and stealing huge amount of money. You stop him a few minutes later and frisk. He's got no weapon and no money on him.
You obviously unsuspect because he's got no weapons and no stolen money, right?


The points I've taken into consideration are:
1) HubbeStubbe is your friend.
2) Your "investigation" happened in a private car (you were on the top of a vehicle, Hubbe was driving and another police guy was sitting there as well)
3) You did not confirm anything with suspecting officer
4) You did not ask for witnesses

Therefore, I found it as corruption. I banned you for 2 hours at first but after you started moaning and saying that I am "the problem", and after reviewing your copbans history (which is impressing, as you know) - I decided to extend it to two days.

1) Yes he is, and it has nothing to do with my cop work.
2) We frisked him, he had no guns. No need for any investigation when we had no proofs.
3) He had no guns, the other officer was corrupt.
4) Witnesses of corruption from another cop? That is up to you, not me.

The "Moaning" part should be added to my copban, it has nothing to do with the ARPD nor the SAPD rules, thats the SERVER rules, another rule broken. You were the problem, since we just RPed and you kept going on and asked me in PM, why not just leave it as it is when we RPed the situation? Whats wrong with RPing these days? My copban history has nothing to do with this, I did nothing wrong but RPing with a suspect. You decided to extend it, for breaking a server rule. Good job Captain. I hate to see that high ranks, and admins cant even RP something, most do but some is trigger happy for the /bancop command. I honestly thought you were better than this, and if you actually RPED my copban, I wouldnt have cared, but when you do it in such a shitty way, PMing it just pisses me off. You are allowed to RP here, but instead you choosed to PM and copban me..

If thats what you call justice, and how a captain should act, well go on, congratulations, you have just been promoted to the worse captain of Argonath RPG, ever. I already see now this report is going nowhere seeing you are just gonna go asslick the rest of the command staff, which is gonna agree to what you did, nothing is gonna happen to you and this one closed, SAPD procedures in other words. Hopefully Gandalf will take a look at this, he actually knows how to handle a report where the proofs are valid.

[FlameMan]

Whole report regarding this situation and a copban has been provided to all SAPD Command members, as a justification of your copban.
It will not be revealed in public.

However, I would like to ask one thing regarding this:
"How was the crime valid when he had NO guns after I frisked him?"

A suspect is wanted for a fire degree murder - after kiling someone with a combat shotgun.
You stop the suspect after 20 minutes, frisk him and find no weapons. You obviously unsuspect because he's got no weapons, right?

Another example. A guy is suspected for bank robbery and stealing huge amount of money. You stop him a few minutes later and frisk. He's got no weapon and no money on him.
You obviously unsuspect because he's got no weapons and no stolen money, right?


The points I've taken into consideration are:
1) HubbeStubbe is your friend.
2) Your "investigation" happened in a private car (you were on the top of a vehicle, Hubbe was driving and another police guy was sitting there as well)
3) You did not confirm anything with suspecting officer
4) You did not ask for witnesses

Therefore, I found it as corruption. I banned you for 2 hours at first but after you started moaning and saying that I am "the problem", and after reviewing your copbans history (which is impressing, as you know) - I decided to extend it to two days.

1) Yes he is, and it has nothing to do with my cop work.
2) We frisked him, he had no guns. No need for any investigation when we had no proofs.
3) He had no guns, the other officer was corrupt.
4) Witnesses of corruption from another cop? That is up to you, not me.

The "Moaning" part should be added to my copban, it has nothing to do with the ARPD nor the SAPD rules, thats the SERVER rules, another rule broken. You were the problem, since we just RPed and you kept going on and asked me in PM, why not just leave it as it is when we RPed the situation? Whats wrong with RPing these days? My copban history has nothing to do with this, I did nothing wrong but RPing with a suspect. You decided to extend it, for breaking a server rule. Good job Captain. I hate to see that high ranks, and admins cant even RP something, most do but some is trigger happy for the /bancop command. I honestly thought you were better than this, and if you actually RPED my copban, I wouldnt have cared, but when you do it in such a shitty way, PMing it just pisses me off. You are allowed to RP here, but instead you choosed to PM and copban me..

If thats what you call justice, and how a captain should act, well go on, congratulations, you have just been promoted to the worse captain of Argonath RPG, ever. I already see now this report is going nowhere seeing you are just gonna go asslick the rest of the command staff, which is gonna agree to what you did, nothing is gonna happen to you and this one closed, SAPD procedures in other words. Hopefully Gandalf will take a look at this, he actually knows how to handle a report where the proofs are valid.

I do believe that the fact of being friends had huge influence. Why? Because each and every investigation HAS to be taken inside a Police Department.
As for point 3 - he had no gun, the other officer was corrupt - No he was not corrupt. The suspection was proper and valid. And Hubbe had a gun. As for confirmation of my words:

[00:11:42] Jack_White.(4): Police Radio: Requesting unsus SU42 - Has no gun?`, Over.
[00:11:53] ------ Weapon data for HubbeStubbe(42) ------
[00:11:53] Desert Eagle[83], Spray Can[385]
[00:11:51] Dolfa_Kiedis(64): Police Radio: Sure?, Over.
[00:11:55] Jack_White.(4): Police Radio: Yes sir, Over.

I do not care. It's your friend, had weapon, you requested unsuspection after "investigating" inside his car and claiming he had no weapon.
Case is clear for me. This is my final statement. The rest is left for the Chief.

[Jack White]

Whole report regarding this situation and a copban has been provided to all SAPD Command members, as a justification of your copban.
It will not be revealed in public.

However, I would like to ask one thing regarding this:
"How was the crime valid when he had NO guns after I frisked him?"

A suspect is wanted for a fire degree murder - after kiling someone with a combat shotgun.
You stop the suspect after 20 minutes, frisk him and find no weapons. You obviously unsuspect because he's got no weapons, right?

Another example. A guy is suspected for bank robbery and stealing huge amount of money. You stop him a few minutes later and frisk. He's got no weapon and no money on him.
You obviously unsuspect because he's got no weapons and no stolen money, right?


The points I've taken into consideration are:
1) HubbeStubbe is your friend.
2) Your "investigation" happened in a private car (you were on the top of a vehicle, Hubbe was driving and another police guy was sitting there as well)
3) You did not confirm anything with suspecting officer
4) You did not ask for witnesses

Therefore, I found it as corruption. I banned you for 2 hours at first but after you started moaning and saying that I am "the problem", and after reviewing your copbans history (which is impressing, as you know) - I decided to extend it to two days.

1) Yes he is, and it has nothing to do with my cop work.
2) We frisked him, he had no guns. No need for any investigation when we had no proofs.
3) He had no guns, the other officer was corrupt.
4) Witnesses of corruption from another cop? That is up to you, not me.

The "Moaning" part should be added to my copban, it has nothing to do with the ARPD nor the SAPD rules, thats the SERVER rules, another rule broken. You were the problem, since we just RPed and you kept going on and asked me in PM, why not just leave it as it is when we RPed the situation? Whats wrong with RPing these days? My copban history has nothing to do with this, I did nothing wrong but RPing with a suspect. You decided to extend it, for breaking a server rule. Good job Captain. I hate to see that high ranks, and admins cant even RP something, most do but some is trigger happy for the /bancop command. I honestly thought you were better than this, and if you actually RPED my copban, I wouldnt have cared, but when you do it in such a shitty way, PMing it just pisses me off. You are allowed to RP here, but instead you choosed to PM and copban me..

If thats what you call justice, and how a captain should act, well go on, congratulations, you have just been promoted to the worse captain of Argonath RPG, ever. I already see now this report is going nowhere seeing you are just gonna go asslick the rest of the command staff, which is gonna agree to what you did, nothing is gonna happen to you and this one closed, SAPD procedures in other words. Hopefully Gandalf will take a look at this, he actually knows how to handle a report where the proofs are valid.

I do believe that the fact of being friends had huge influence. Why? Because each and every investigation HAS to be taken inside a Police Department.
As for point 3 - he had no gun, the other officer was corrupt - No he was not corrupt. The suspection was proper and valid. And Hubbe had a gun. As for confirmation of my words:

[00:11:42] Jack_White.(4): Police Radio: Requesting unsus SU42 - Has no gun?`, Over.
[00:11:53] ------ Weapon data for HubbeStubbe(42) ------
[00:11:53] Desert Eagle[83], Spray Can[385]
[00:11:51] Dolfa_Kiedis(64): Police Radio: Sure?, Over.
[00:11:55] Jack_White.(4): Police Radio: Yes sir, Over.

I do not care. It's your friend, had weapon, you requested unsuspection after "investigating" inside his car and claiming he had no weapon.
Case is clear for me. This is my final statement. The rest is left for the Chief.

Friends had no influence at all, I rarely talk to Hubbe, he can confirm that himself. After RPing, we found no guns on him. I concidered it as an RP situation, since everything was going fine, Hubbe RPed. He might have throw the guns out the window? I didnt find it while RPing, I wanted to have a nice RP, I requested an unsuspection due to it being RP situation. And, what you Moderator/admins with spectating rights have problems to understand is, that the situation does not start when you start spectating, which it looks like you always believe. Also like how you edited the chatlogs, 00:11:53, then 00:11:51? Nice.

[[Rstar]Paul]

Hi,

Is this a admin initiated manner or SAPD by the copban issued?

Regards,
SAPD Chief.

[FlameMan]

The punishment was an SAPD punishment for corruption based on OOC evidence.

[Huntsman]

I am very sorry for posting, but i shall remind you that in order to punish someone for roleplayed violation, you must have taken the place in the actual roleplay scene or atleast have roleplayed evidence.
In this case, even if Jack was corrupt, he DID roleplay it, which means you have to provide roleplayed evidence or take part in that roleplay in order to punish him.

Besides, you have misused your admin command... You shouldnt mix ARPD and Administrative matters.

[Plam Knight]

I am very sorry for posting, but i shall remind you that in order to punish someone for roleplayed violation, you must have taken the place in the actual roleplay scene or atleast have roleplayed evidence.
In this case, even if Jack was corrupt, he DID roleplay it, which means you have to provide roleplayed evidence or take part in that roleplay in order to punish him.

Besides, you have misused your admin command... You shouldnt mix ARPD and Administrative matters.

The moment script abuse is attempted, such as getting your friends unsuspected by lying to command/administration, adminstrators in current case both SAPD Command/Administrator can take action.
In current case FlameMan did the right thing to check if a script abuse was attempted.

[Jack White]

I am very sorry for posting, but i shall remind you that in order to punish someone for roleplayed violation, you must have taken the place in the actual roleplay scene or atleast have roleplayed evidence.
In this case, even if Jack was corrupt, he DID roleplay it, which means you have to provide roleplayed evidence or take part in that roleplay in order to punish him.

Besides, you have misused your admin command... You shouldnt mix ARPD and Administrative matters.

The moment script abuse is attempted, such as getting your friends unsuspected by lying to command/administration, adminstrators in current case both SAPD Command/Administrator can take action.
In current case FlameMan did the right thing to check if a script abuse was attempted.

This wasn't a matter of script abuse, this was a matter of corruption according to Flameman, so I don't see why you should bring up that I script abused now. And once again - I apologize for missunderstanding that Argonath is a ROLEPLAY server. In my opinion, this case is script abuse and admin abuse by your side. That a guy is asking for a unsuspection has nothing to do with Admins, then I would have /report, but I used /r. And as FlameMan stated earlier, this was a SAPD Punishment, not a Administrator punishment, but still - Admin commands were used to proof guilty? THAT is script abuse in my opinion.

Hi,

Is this a admin initiated manner or SAPD by the copban issued?

Regards,
SAPD Chief.

SAPD, as he mentioned in my PM, and he said above.

I am very sorry for posting, but i shall remind you that in order to punish someone for roleplayed violation, you must have taken the place in the actual roleplay scene or atleast have roleplayed evidence.
In this case, even if Jack was corrupt, he DID roleplay it, which means you have to provide roleplayed evidence or take part in that roleplay in order to punish him.

Besides, you have misused your admin command... You shouldnt mix ARPD and Administrative matters.

This.

[[Rstar]Paul]

Thanks for the information..

From both parties, you have semi-valid information.
Anyone has anything to say before this is investigated by the Chiefs+ ?

[FlameMan]

Admin command was used to be assured that the unsuspection was not valid.

The punishment was issued because you incorrectly investigated the case. You requested unsuspection without proper reason - as not having weapon at the moment of frisk is not a valid one. Your investigation was not taken in any Police Department (which I could see using GPS Navigator - /area).

Due to your INCORRECT investigation and trusting your friend who was a valid suspect - you let a wanted person get away without sentence. That was the reason of the punishment and the roleplay background.

[Jack White]

Admin command was used to be assured that the unsuspection was not valid.

The punishment was issued because you incorrectly investigated the case. You requested unsuspection without proper reason - as not having weapon at the moment of frisk is not a valid one. Your investigation was not taken in any Police Department (which I could see using GPS Navigator - /area).

Due to your INCORRECT investigation and trusting your friend who was a valid suspect - you let a wanted person get away without sentence. That was the reason of the punishment and the roleplay background.

Admin command was used to copban someone RPly? Nice. How could you know we was not at a PD when investigating? Admin spectating? I didnt find a gun when RPLY frisking him, we had no evidence of him being in possession of a firearm. We could have investigated in the PD, then just drive around with him? He is not my friend. I was not copbanned for incorrect investigation. If I found no gun RPly on him when I frisked him, nobody had proofs, thats life. And I guess you didn't /area us before we requested an unsuspection anyway.

You cant arrest someone without proofs.

[FlameMan]

Copban is not an admin command only. It is SAPD Command punishment (Sergeant+). If you could read you would know how I knew you were not in a PD, as I've already explained it.

Admin command was used to copban someone RPly? Nice. How could you know we was not at a PD when investigating? Admin spectating? I didnt find a gun when RPLY frisking him, we had no evidence of him being in possession of a firearm. We could have investigated in the PD, then just drive around with him? He is not my friend. I was not copbanned for incorrect investigation. If I found no gun RPly on him when I frisked him, nobody had proofs, thats life. And I guess you didn't /area us before we requested an unsuspection anyway.

1) HubbeStubbe is your friend.

1) Yes he is, and it has nothing to do with my cop work.

Kinda losing the track, aren't you? You have already admitted that he was your friend.
Your copban was for corruption. Asking unsuspection for your firned, after "investigation" held inside his private car, without asking the suspecting officer, without asking for witnesses, without witnessing the whole situation and finally - without proper reason.
It is clear enough for me. I repeat - he was properly suspected and it was you who was wrong.

[SkyHawk]

If the investigation was roleplayed and upon frisking no evidence that a firearm was found, why would you use an administration command to justify that he infact had weapons? We've been told on numerous occasions that our administration commands are not to be used for things out side of administration duties..

[Jack White]

Copban is not an admin command only. It is SAPD Command punishment (Sergeant+). If you could read you would know how I knew you were not in a PD, as I've already explained it.

Admin command was used to copban someone RPly? Nice. How could you know we was not at a PD when investigating? Admin spectating? I didnt find a gun when RPLY frisking him, we had no evidence of him being in possession of a firearm. We could have investigated in the PD, then just drive around with him? He is not my friend. I was not copbanned for incorrect investigation. If I found no gun RPly on him when I frisked him, nobody had proofs, thats life. And I guess you didn't /area us before we requested an unsuspection anyway.

1) HubbeStubbe is your friend.

1) Yes he is, and it has nothing to do with my cop work.

Kinda losing the track, aren't you? You have already admitted that he was your friend.
Your copban was for corruption. Asking unsuspection for your firned, after "investigation" held inside his private car, without asking the suspecting officer, without asking for witnesses, without witnessing the whole situation and finally - without proper reason.
It is clear enough for me. I repeat - he was properly suspected and it was you who was wrong.

Not loosing track, he is not a friend I would get copbanned for. Dont go bullshitting I did it because he was my friend, I wouldnt get copbanned for him, ask him. I rarely have ever talked to him. Anyone is my friend as long as they are nice to me, and he is the times I talk with him. You clearly abused your rights. Dont change subject into him being my friend.

If the investigation was roleplayed and upon frisking no evidence that a firearm was found, why would you use an administration command to justify that he infact had weapons? We've been told on numerous occasions that our administration commands are not to be used for things out side of administration duties..

This.

[FlameMan]

If the investigation was roleplayed and upon frisking no evidence that a firearm was found, why would you use an administration command to justify that he infact had weapons? We've been told on numerous occasions that our administration commands are not to be used for things out side of administration duties..

It was used to confirm that the unsuspection was not valid.
Even if the firearm was not found - suspect should not be unsuspected. And such unsuspection is copbannable. Why? Because you have no evidence that he didn't have weapon at the time he was suspected. He could've shot all bullets on a cop and then run away. And Jack could not be certain that it hadn't be that way. Why? Because he didn't even attempt to contact suspecting officer. He didn't even attempt to contact any witness of the situation.

So, again. After catching a suspect, suspected for "shooting", and finding no weapon - you would request unsuspection? If so, it seems that even SAPD Officers need a training on /cancelsuspect usage.
Why? Because I repeat - you cannot be sure that he didn't have weapon at the moment of suspection.

Admin command was not necessary and if I hadn't mentioned that I used it, the copban would still be valid. I just used it to check the possible script abuse.

[Jack White]

If the investigation was roleplayed and upon frisking no evidence that a firearm was found, why would you use an administration command to justify that he infact had weapons? We've been told on numerous occasions that our administration commands are not to be used for things out side of administration duties..

It was used to confirm that the unsuspection was not valid.
Even if the firearm was not found - suspect should not be unsuspected. And such unsuspection is copbannable. Why? Because you have no evidence that he didn't have weapon at the time he was suspected. He could've shot all bullets on a cop and then run away. And Jack could not be certain that it hadn't be that way. Why? Because he didn't even attempt to contact suspecting officer. He didn't even attempt to contact any witness of the situation.

So, again. After catching a suspect, suspected for "shooting", and finding no weapon - you would request unsuspection? If so, it seems that even SAPD Officers need a training on /cancelsuspect usage.
Why? Because I repeat - you cannot be sure that he didn't have weapon at the moment of suspection.

Admin command was not necessary and if I hadn't mentioned that I used it, the copban would still be valid. I just used it to check the possible script abuse.

I couldnt find the suspecting officer. How would I know the witnesses, when I didn't even know who the suspecting officer was? (Offline?) And how is it possibly script abuse, I didnt use any script, I asked for an unsuspection when we didnt find any guns on the suspect, neither did I find the suspecting cop. How do you know he had guns at the moment of suspection, what if the other officer abused him? What do you know about exactly that?

[FlameMan]

If the investigation was roleplayed and upon frisking no evidence that a firearm was found, why would you use an administration command to justify that he infact had weapons? We've been told on numerous occasions that our administration commands are not to be used for things out side of administration duties..

It was used to confirm that the unsuspection was not valid.
Even if the firearm was not found - suspect should not be unsuspected. And such unsuspection is copbannable. Why? Because you have no evidence that he didn't have weapon at the time he was suspected. He could've shot all bullets on a cop and then run away. And Jack could not be certain that it hadn't be that way. Why? Because he didn't even attempt to contact suspecting officer. He didn't even attempt to contact any witness of the situation.

So, again. After catching a suspect, suspected for "shooting", and finding no weapon - you would request unsuspection? If so, it seems that even SAPD Officers need a training on /cancelsuspect usage.
Why? Because I repeat - you cannot be sure that he didn't have weapon at the moment of suspection.

Admin command was not necessary and if I hadn't mentioned that I used it, the copban would still be valid. I just used it to check the possible script abuse.

I couldnt find the suspecting officer. How would I know the witnesses, when I didn't even know who the suspecting officer was? (Offline?) And how is it possibly script abuse, I didnt use any script, I asked for an unsuspection when we didnt find any guns on the suspect, neither did I find the suspecting cop. How do you know he had guns at the moment of suspection, what if the other officer abused him? What do you know about exactly that?

He was not offline. He was online at all the time. Enough with lying. Report to be moved to Chiefs' board.

[Jack White]

If the investigation was roleplayed and upon frisking no evidence that a firearm was found, why would you use an administration command to justify that he infact had weapons? We've been told on numerous occasions that our administration commands are not to be used for things out side of administration duties..

It was used to confirm that the unsuspection was not valid.
Even if the firearm was not found - suspect should not be unsuspected. And such unsuspection is copbannable. Why? Because you have no evidence that he didn't have weapon at the time he was suspected. He could've shot all bullets on a cop and then run away. And Jack could not be certain that it hadn't be that way. Why? Because he didn't even attempt to contact suspecting officer. He didn't even attempt to contact any witness of the situation.

So, again. After catching a suspect, suspected for "shooting", and finding no weapon - you would request unsuspection? If so, it seems that even SAPD Officers need a training on /cancelsuspect usage.
Why? Because I repeat - you cannot be sure that he didn't have weapon at the moment of suspection.

Admin command was not necessary and if I hadn't mentioned that I used it, the copban would still be valid. I just used it to check the possible script abuse.

I couldnt find the suspecting officer. How would I know the witnesses, when I didn't even know who the suspecting officer was? (Offline?) And how is it possibly script abuse, I didnt use any script, I asked for an unsuspection when we didnt find any guns on the suspect, neither did I find the suspecting cop. How do you know he had guns at the moment of suspection, what if the other officer abused him? What do you know about exactly that?

He was not offline. He was online at all the time. Enough with lying. Report to be moved to Chiefs' board.

RPly I couldnt check if he was online or offline, not lying. Yes, move it.