Better communication between officers and medical staff

[Nathan_Kolta]

This is something that has been a concern for me for awhile now as it seems to be getting worse and that is none other than the communication or lack of between officers and medical staff. What I mean by this is how information and orders and given/swapped between us for example there will be a report of a bomb threat in Argo bank calling FD and EMS, we respond and are ignored by the police. Considering we dont have a clue of the situation we go to ask on of the SAPD staff whats going on but are then told "MEDIC fall back" and heres my point, how are we supposed to know where to go/ not go, where to stage our equipment etc. etc. We might be able to save lives but we cant read minds.

All I'm asking is in future if you call for EMS/FD give them some information on whats going on so we can do our job effectively because its starting to get a little bit annoying.
 

[Jack Baker]

This is an usual happening and it will be impossible to make this dissapear out of the community, altho we can improve this by telling this to SAPD members on regular basis, it will be impossible to get everyone to know how to threat other emergency services as there are daily joining more and more frech new officers who see other then the blue names everyone else as civilians. The thing you yourself can do is explaining these officers on a normal way that you're part of the emergency services aswell and that you're there to HELP, and not to bother.

[[Rstar]Paul]

The funny thing is, yourself today did a Domestic Terrorism situation as a MEDIC at city hall holding a bomb. We prefer to keep limits between the cooperation and call the other civilization agencies when needed.

http://fbi.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=5049.15

[Roske]

Sometmes EMS does not need to ram my car, and shout "HEAL?"...

[Francisco Martinez]

If you want to role-play, and be part of the situations, bring a partner. Now if I recall, yesterday you were with a Desert Eagle standing in a pole, near to the entry of the bank, even closer to the building than any P.D member. I was the one telling you to fall back, since it could be dangerous for a guy that's not used to this kind of situation. Now any many situations our goal is to.. well don't blow up, or trying to save the hostage. If you want a briefing talk to the leader of the operation, or even via radio on scene. Also, if you guys are the medics, and/or firefighters you should know what to do in the specific locations, if there is a bomb threat... what else do you want us to say?

Just stating my opinion, don't get offended or anything.
Best regards.

[Nathan_Kolta]

In response to the domestic terrorism that was a one off RP opportunity this is not an everyday occurrence.

Moving on Roske those are not the medical staff I am relating to in this, however I am trying to combat the /heal medic with advising them other ways of helping subjects.

Lastly to Eric we had been on scene for a while now nothing was happening, I had heard the subjects would be leaving the building hence I went for the nearest possible cover and kept my weapon at hand for self defense, but my point there was we had not been given any guidelines on where to day and if I recall I was next to an officer. You suggest I should speak to the leader of the operation, I had tried to talk to FBI to see what was going on but that yielded no real information. Lastly I've never responded to a bomb call before but protocol would dictate that everyone is to say within a certain distance until specialist teams can enter and resolve the device, this was not the case.

In conclusion if anyone happens to see EMS/FD just ensure they know whats going on or whos leading the operation so that can indeed find out.

[Francisco Martinez]

Lastly to Eric we had been on scene for a while now nothing was happening, I had heard the subjects would be leaving the building hence I went for the nearest possible cover and kept my weapon at hand for self defense, but my point there was we had not been given any guidelines on where to day and if I recall I was next to an officer. You suggest I should speak to the leader of the operation, I had tried to talk to FBI to see what was going on but that yielded no real information. Lastly I've never responded to a bomb call before but protocol would dictate that everyone is to say within a certain distance until specialist teams can enter and resolve the device, this was not the case.

In conclusion if anyone happens to see EMS/FD just ensure they know whats going on or whos leading the operation so that can indeed find out.

If you're so onto the role-play, I'm pretty sure you know ARFD. Actually, you were part of it... That's another point but still, I'm pretty sure you were trained how to respond in multiple calls. Paramedics don't go around with guns for their own safety. They take cover and let the police officers do their work.
 Also if there is a bomb or any threat that might harm you, common sense would be, get far back. The F.B.I was concentrated on their work, and so were the leaders at that point. Try to talk with an officer that's not THAT busy.. I'm sure he'll tell you what can you do to help. If it doesn't happen, take your team mate and start doing your scenarios yourself, when it's all over I bet there's always a wound to be disinfected.

[Nathan_Kolta]

I wish this was the kind of world where a Paramedic does not need to arm himself for defense, unfortunately it is far from that world. I have been trained in firearm use so for personal safety it is only logical. You are indeed correct I was in ARFD, however I was never trained in Fire Department protocol. Lastly from the distance of which the police personnel were from the building would suggest that the said bomb was probably a breaching charge or something of the sort far from anything that would cause damage bigger than one room.

[SafetyMoose]

EMS needs to be incorporated with more police RP. Anyone who says that medics should stand far far away obviously have no idea how a medical team works in a dangerous police situation. This is a fantasy world where players can choose how they want to play. If a medical team wants to operate as a close support unit with police, they can go right ahead. Any one who says that would be unrealistic has obviously no idea how real world SWAT and EMS work.

[Francisco Martinez]

Then go ahead. Pick up a pistol as a paramedic and aim at the door waiting for the suspects. I won't role-play with that.

[Nathan_Kolta]

I take it you've never seen a Police medic or a CMT Unit? We aren't just those Muppet's in ambulances.
Lastly Eric I carry a PDW not just to protect myself but to enhance my abilities in a situation, if I can act under various roles during a situation the better.

[SafetyMoose]

Then go ahead. Pick up a pistol as a paramedic and aim at the door waiting for the suspects. I won't role-play with that.

Then your the root of the problem, not Nathan. And people wonder why Rp is so scarece on this server 

[Mark Hansley]

THIS IS A MAJOR PROBLEM

cops are screaming for EMTs when one gets shot and NO one responds on radio
ALSO EMTs or FD  are getting shot at or need help at a scene and it takes at LEAST 3-5 minutes to get a response

[Francisco Martinez]

THIS IS A MAJOR PROBLEM

cops are screaming for EMTs when one gets shot and NO one responds on radio
ALSO EMTs or FD  are getting shot at or need help at a scene and it takes at LEAST 3-5 minutes to get a response

Lack of role-play of the online medical staff. But it depends on the people that are online. Same thing with the officers. Most of them are to busy with the suspects, 15% will actually care.

[Tom Adams]

Yes, PD and EMS have some issues with communication, but when we call the team, they must realize that they must be at distance and finish our job, THEN they can start doing their job If Its necessary. I remember couple of incidents when we had kidnap situation and SAFD was present. They were in their positions, waiting until they could do anything and our communication was good. Its all about understanding each other.

[Nathan_Kolta]

Yes, PD and EMS have some issues with communication, but when we call the team, they must realize that they must be at distance and finish our job, THEN they can start doing their job If Its necessary. I remember couple of incidents when we had kidnap situation and SAFD was present. They were in their positions, waiting until they could do anything and our communication was good. Its all about understanding each other.

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