Officer(?) TinMan - Shooting a non-moving, unarmed, surrendered SU to death

[GiacJr]

Directed to: SAPD authority.
SAPD Officer Policy violators: TinMan

1. TinMan - Shooting a non-moving, unarmed, surrendered SU to death
2. Officer's Department - LSPD I assume

I believe that the following image says all that needs to be said about this issue. I will give some context however. I was inside my house, providing shelter for my associate, when all of a sudden a bunch of cops entered my house. I opened fire, believing that they were there to shoot up my house and destroy it, and promptly got suspected. My associate ran out the door and escaped by using one of my cars. The cops all left, and soon came back in with full armour they had just purchased from the DIllimore ammunation. I tried to run out the door, only to be sprayed by another officer almost to death. I did the smart thing and did /gu to avoid losing my weapons and money. I then got cuffed by TinMan and began to walk the 1 minute walk to Dillimore PD, justifying it in the RP that TinMan 'needed the exercise'. TinMan, however, was not in the mood for roleplaying, and instead decided to try and force me into his car so he could summarily take me to the PD and jail me for 3 mins without any thought or RP. I tried to resist this forcing of (a lack of) RP, and kept walking towards DPD.
TinMan then told me that he would "taze" me if I did not get into the car. Believing that he was going to use /me tases GiacJr, to which I would have fell to the ground and allowed myself to be dragged into the car, I continued to walk. However, I got frozen due to cuff range. TinMan then cuffed me once again, and shot me from behind before I even had a chance to move one step.
This is why I believe TinMan has violated a number of rules; he shot a SURRENDERED SUSPECT, he shot an UNARMED SUSPECT, and he shot a NON MOVING SUSPECT using a lethal weapon, all of which are against SAPD rules and guidelines.



Although the image does not show TinMan as being the one to have opened fire, it does show him making threats to me and proves he was very close to me. I have no doubt that TinMan will admit that he shot me, and if not, I would like to request a log check, and when it is proven he is lying, I would like to add that to my list of things he has done wrong.

Date: Monday 30th July 2012
Time: 1305 AEST (GMT+10)

Civillian(s) involved: -

Signed
GiacJr

[GiacJr]

I don't think you're unarmed !! You got shitload of weapon on you, you just don't know it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist

I was cuffed. How could I possibly be holding any weapons? I don't think a deagle and a combat would sit too well down my pants.

Why delete your post? Doesn't matter, I have it quoted.

[JDC]

I could confirm as well that TinMan has consistently exhibited a poor prior performance as a law enforcer, including but not limited to acting on impulse rather than using any better judgment. If SAPD Command has not taken note of it, then it would be because the subject has made attempts to hide it from them. SAPD Chief can contact me for more information if needed.

JDC
FBI Director (VC-LU)
VCPD-CMD HQ (VC:MP)

[[Rstar]Paul]

Thanks for your time.

Your report has been noted.
For now, bare with me until i get full chat logs from the scene and the kill screen.

Regards,
SAPD Chief.

[[Rstar]Paul]

Alright, I'm ready to continue.

TinMan, i would like you to provide your statement.

[TinMan]

I could confirm as well that TinMan has consistently exhibited a poor prior performance as a law enforcer, including but not limited to acting on impulse rather than using any better judgment. If SAPD Command has not taken note of it, then it would be because the subject has made attempts to hide it from them. SAPD Chief can contact me for more information if needed.

JDC
FBI Director (VC-LU)
VCPD-CMD HQ (VC:MP)

If you have anything against me, [RPit]JDC, I suggest you to post a new topic or post here about those secrets or whatever you have against me. I don't like it when people talk behind my back. Its not very kind. You know I understand that kids say this, but in reality, I honestly want you to publicly reveal whatever you have.


On to the case, GiacJr refused to come with me inside the car after numerous warnings as he stated in his statement. After the intensity amounts of resisting arrests occurring, I was trying to roleplay with him but he kept moaning at me for not roleplay to begin with and not even complying. Therefore, he has clearly resist after /gu and I shall not be blamed for the injuries or death.

According to our Consitution, Section III Act XVI states A law enforcer cannot be blamed if injuries or death occur if a suspect opposes resistance.

TinMan then cuffed me once again, and shot me from behind before I even had a chance to move one step.

Signed
GiacJr

You are lying, Mr. Giac. According to the picture, you had enough time to be-able to move again that is 14 seconds and on my screen it looked like you were running that is why I decided to just shoot you. Therefore, your "Non-Moving Suspect" is false and claiming that you are Unarmed is also False. You shot us with combat inside of your house.

I do not deny the fact that I shot you as a surrendered suspect.

However, your 2 out of 3 accusations are false.

Signed,

TinMan

[GiacJr]

I could confirm as well that TinMan has consistently exhibited a poor prior performance as a law enforcer, including but not limited to acting on impulse rather than using any better judgment. If SAPD Command has not taken note of it, then it would be because the subject has made attempts to hide it from them. SAPD Chief can contact me for more information if needed.

JDC
FBI Director (VC-LU)
VCPD-CMD HQ (VC:MP)

If you have anything against me, [RPit]JDC, I suggest you to post a new topic or post here about those secrets or whatever you have against me. I don't like it when people talk behind my back. Its not very kind. You know I understand that kids say this, but in reality, I honestly want you to publicly reveal whatever you have.


On to the case, GiacJr refused to come with me inside the car after numerous warnings as he stated in his statement. After the intensity amounts of resisting arrests occurring, I was trying to roleplay with him but he kept moaning at me for not roleplay to begin with and not even complying. Therefore, he has clearly resist after /gu and I shall not be blamed for the injuries or death.

According to our Consitution, Section III Act XVI states A law enforcer cannot be blamed if injuries or death occur if a suspect opposes resistance.

TinMan then cuffed me once again, and shot me from behind before I even had a chance to move one step.

Signed
GiacJr

You are lying, Mr. Giac. According to the picture, you had enough time to be-able to move again that is 14 seconds and on my screen it looked like you were running that is why I decided to just shoot you. Therefore, your "Non-Moving Suspect" is false and claiming that you are Unarmed is also False. You shot us with combat inside of your house.

I do not deny the fact that I shot you as a surrendered suspect.

However, your 2 out of 3 accusations are false.

Signed,

TinMan

I was not moving when you shot me. I was cuffed, and therefore you are to assume what I am unarmed, as I cannot even pull out a weapon while my hands are cuffed behind my back.

[TinMan]

I was not moving when you shot me. I was cuffed, and therefore you are to assume what I am unarmed, as I cannot even pull out a weapon while my hands are cuffed behind my back.

I do not need to assume the fact that you are unarmed or not. You shot at us before with combat and desert eagle and I still considered you armed. At the time, there weren't any admins online, so it can be easy for a suspect to pull a combat out of your ass and shoot me. Players sometimes do pull guns out after surrendering to the police, under my 3 years of experience.

[JDC]

If you have anything against me, [RPit]JDC, I suggest you to post a new topic or post here about those secrets or whatever you have against me. I don't like it when people talk behind my back. Its not very kind. You know I understand that kids say this, but in reality, I honestly want you to publicly reveal whatever you have.

The most important evidence I have against you has come from your own mouth, so the burden is upon you to remember your own words, as I will basically be telling others what you told me yourself.

At the time, there weren't any admins online, so it can be easy for a suspect to pull a combat out of your ass and shoot me. Players sometimes do pull guns out after surrendering to the police, under my 3 years of experience.

You have made a hasty generalization. You do realize that the person you are equating to these rule-breaking suspects who attack after surrender, has had years of police experience more than you, even having served as a department Chief in the early days of SAPD?

[TinMan]

If you have anything against me, [RPit]JDC, I suggest you to post a new topic or post here about those secrets or whatever you have against me. I don't like it when people talk behind my back. Its not very kind. You know I understand that kids say this, but in reality, I honestly want you to publicly reveal whatever you have.

The most important evidence I have against you has come from your own mouth, so the burden is upon you to remember your own words, as I will basically be telling others what you told me yourself.

At the time, there weren't any admins online, so it can be easy for a suspect to pull a combat out of your ass and shoot me. Players sometimes do pull guns out after surrendering to the police, under my 3 years of experience.

You have made a hasty generalization. You do realize that the person you are equating to these rule-breaking suspects who attack after surrender, has had years of police experience more than you, even having served as a department Chief in the early days of SAPD?

If all you have against me is twisting my words around and not bring any physical evidence up about then I suggest you to stop posting here. I thought maybe you had some pictures or some form of evidence to get me fired. After all, you are just telling false information to the chiefs then in that case you could be sued for slander/libel in the court of Argonath RPG. You maybe have something against me, but you have no evidence to back your claims. Just stop posting here.

[GiacJr]

3 years of experience.

You have made a hasty generalization. You do realize that the person you are equating to these rule-breaking suspects who attack after surrender, has had years of police experience more than you, even having served as a department Chief in the early days of SAPD?

Indeed he did. As I have told you on many occasions in the past few days, all I wanna do is Roleplay. If I am cuffed, do you really think I would risk you taking photos, sending them to the email, and me getting banned for it? I'm not stupid. You need to assume that the people you are attempting to RP with have good intentions, or else you are not really roleplaying too well.

[TinMan]

Indeed he did. As I have told you on many occasions in the past few days, all I wanna do is Roleplay. If I am cuffed, do you really think I would risk you taking photos, sending them to the email, and me getting banned for it? I'm not stupid. You need to assume that the people you are attempting to RP with have good intentions, or else you are not really roleplaying too well.

Assume...hmm. Well, If you assume something it means you do not know the truth. You are guessing and taking a position on that guess. That is why I don't assume because I've been wrong before multiple times.

[Plam Knight]

Keep the report clean, there was already one report closed before, because both parties couldn't provide proper statements without arguing with each other in each one.

So if you have anything relevant to the report then please do post your statement, if not then its better to remain silent and await judgement from Chief Hernandez.

I could confirm as well that TinMan has consistently exhibited a poor prior performance as a law enforcer, including but not limited to acting on impulse rather than using any better judgment. If SAPD Command has not taken note of it, then it would be because the subject has made attempts to hide it from them. SAPD Chief can contact me for more information if needed.

JDC
FBI Director (VC-LU)
VCPD-CMD HQ (VC:MP)

FBI Director JDC, we will kindly hear you out, but this topic is not place to be put in, if you wish to report such a things, but its not directly connected with report - PM Chief Hernandez and he will take it in a note. Other then that please refrain from adding more arguements within the report.

Signed by,
Captain P. Knight

[TinMan]

TinMan, however, was not in the mood for roleplaying, and instead decided to try and force me into his car so he could summarily take me to the PD and jail me for 3 mins without any thought or RP.

For example, you are assuming what I was going to do next in that case I claim that is false. You are just assuming that I am not in the mood for roleplaying because you think that since I shot you I didn't want to roleplay. That is incorrect, I shot you because you were refusing to comply. Again please read Section III Act XVI. You are also "assuming" what I was going to do with you next. In which, I was going to take you inside, and if you wanted to be processed and interviewed I was going to do it, but please stop assuming things. This whole statement right here has no proof just a general assuming accusation.

[TinMan]

As you can see, in this report the suspect "refused to comply with police orders" and wanted to walk to the police department after he surrendered to the police. Under the three accounts that GiacJr charged me for, "shooting a non-moving suspect" is incorrect because within those 18 seconds he moved, he wasn't "unarmed" because he shot at officers, and "killing him after surrendered" because he refused to follow police orders and under Section III Act XVI states "A law enforcer cannot be blamed if injuries or death occur if a suspect opposes resistance (Consitution)." GiacJr never backed up the two out three accounts against and therefore they may be dropped. I would like to include that anything that JDC said against me shall be deleted and have nothing to do with this report, as he is not allowed to post here. During this whole report, when GiacJr replies, he just brought up an assume argument that doesn't really have anything to do with this case.


Thank you for your time.

[Kenny]

San Andreas Police Department

CASE CLOSED

San Andreas Police Department have came to a conclusion regarding the report SAPD Officer Tinman.

After checking out the logs and statement from the officer, SAPD upper command has come to the conclusion that the officer acted aggressively and did not show any professionalism while dealing with the suspect.. Officer Tinman should have followed his training which clearly indicates and i quote "For non co-operative suspect use non-lethal force such as pepper and batton", this clearly wasnt the case when the officer decided to pull a firearm on a subject whom was not a threat. That being said SAPD Upper Command is also aware of the fact the reporter himself is somewhat known to bait the police officer and get them into trouble. All this facts considered we have come to the following conclusion in this case....

As a result of this, we have decided the following;

- Officer to be suspended from active duty, effective immeadietly for a period of 4 days
- After having served his suspension, officer will be under going on a ride along program with Captain Flameman before he is to take his badge again.


Signed
Captain Kenny
SAPD Upper Command