Report: Andrew Mason, Max Adams, Lily Scotto

[James Collin]

NOTE: One of the violators is an ARPD Officer, and since 2 SAPD personnel are involved I will include him in this report as well.

Directed to: SAPD authority.
SAPD Officer Policy violators:
Andrew Mason
Max Adams
Lily Scotto


1a. Lily Scotto - Shooting standing still suspects, who was talking in /l describing what happened.
1b. Max Adams - Refusing to admit that Lily had committed anything wrong. Claiming that everything done was under rules.
1c. Andrew Mason - Claiming the suspect was shot because he evaded, when in reality he did not. Also further implying that the suspect was guilty whereas he was not and was abused.
2. Officer's Department - I am not aware of their departments. But I guess it is LSPD for both.


Date: Sunday 10th March, 2013
Time: Around 10CET

Civillian(s) involved:
Frank Hawk,
JImmy West,
Monty Corleone
Gregory Hudson
JamesHetfield
Muzi_Kiedis
James_BonD (me)



Detailed Description:
Frank Hawk was standing and talking to Monty Corleone. However he misclicked and his weapon fired at Monty.
A patrol car driven by Andrew Mason was nearby and he suspected Frank_Hawk for 'assault'. After doing it, Andrew Mason, Max Adams, and Lily Scotto got out of the cruiser and aimed at Frank from tactical positions.



This is the local chat after that:




During which Frank Hawk was shot while he was standing still.


Right after he was killed this is what Max said:

I tried to talk to Max Adams on public chat right after this happened. This was his response:





I tried to talk to Andrew Mason after that and he told me that Frank Hawk escaped. Which he did not.




In a nutshell, Lily shot a standing still suspect who was suspected for an invalid reason. Now thats entirely 2 different rulebreaks.
First) The suspection was false as it was a misclick. The officers did not even bother talking about it while it can be seen both the 'victim' of the shot and the alleged claimed that it was a misclick.
Second) The ARPD shot Frank while he was trying to talk this out.

After he was killed, Mr Max simply said 'oh well' like it was nothing. Feeling the least bothered to do anything. On the mainchat he also claimed that the freecop was right in whatever he did and did not commit any wrongdoing. Furthermore Mr. Andrew Mason says that Frank 'evaded' which he absolutely did not.

I would like an explanation from all three of them. I have informed Andrew Mason beforehand saying that I will be openening a report. I was not able to contact Max as he was AFK.






Signed
James Bond

[Huntsman]

Why am i even in the report? I'm a SAPD Cadet, i have no authority over him and there is nothing i can do.

In any case, what i said is pretty much true. Frank Hawk had his gun equiped and kept brandishing it, which officer Scotto could have taken as an assault attempt.
In any case as i said, i should not be in this report as i am not part of the command staff and i cannot copban or punish the officer in any other way

By "oh well" i expressed my dissapointment. Please show me where i cant say "oh well".

Also, if you want to get the guy copbanned, report him. I dont understand why everyone contacts me when somoene does something. I'm a cadet, i cant do anything about it

[Megamidget]

Being Near a Offence or not doing anything to stop a rouge officer is not a Breach of the ARPD Regulations, the two SAPD members may have not seen exactly what happened etc and hence cannot act upon it.

You have reported max for refusing to admit something, how can he admit something that he may have not see all of or is simply not sure, Capt Mason also simply claims the Suspect was handled correctly thats all he did.

Your report should be focused against the officer committing a rule break not against the people who where near the incident. I suggest you drop any complaint towards two people that i feel where simply witness's

[Tom Adams]

Suspect called Frank Hawk or whatever was just at the white line when he opened fire with his firearm, he got suspected for it and straight away after suspection he ran towards the bunch of people as he always does. Officer Lily took out also a firearm and neutralized the suspect as he was attempting to escape, I cant see a reason whats the issue ?

Suspect evading (Without shots fired) on foot - Suspect must be warned that if they do not yield, they will be fired upon. If they fail to heed the warning, then permission to open fire is granted (Standard duty equipment only)

Suspect was warned before we opened fire.

Yes I am claiming that he was escaping because I saw so, you cannot make me say otherwise because thats what I saw and in my opinion everything was alright. Suspect was guilty as he pulled out a firearm and shot with it in public, 2 other officers witnessed it. The suspect had enough time to surrender but instead of that he decided to evade.
And yes, I do not understand why are witnesses guilty in this offence as we did not shoot a single shot towards the person ? Perhaps you should've reported the citizens too for being witnesses then.

I have nothing else to add because this is already ridiculous.

[James Collin]

Why am i even in the report? I'm a SAPD Cadet, i have no authority over him and there is nothing i can do.
In any case, what i said is pretty much true. Frank Hawk had his gun equiped and kept brandishing it, which officer Scotto could have taken as an assault attempt.
In any case as i said, i should not be in this report as i am not part of the command staff and i cannot copban or punish the officer in any other way
By "oh well" i expressed my dissapointment. Please show me where i cant say "oh well".
Also, if you want to get the guy copbanned, report him. I dont understand why everyone contacts me when somoene does something. I'm a cadet, i cant do anything about it

I do admit to a certain extent that you're not entirely at fault. But looking at the whole situation you just took it as nothing happened. You guys shot a standing still suspect, and then you said, and may I quote "Don't blame da SAPD", "it was an ARPD Officer", "but we can't punish him".
After killing him you guys drove away like it was just an ordinary day.

As a question to you, Mr. Andrew claims the suspect evade. Did you see him evade? Because I don't think he evaded at all. He was standing while he was shot and he was talking in local and tried to explain as you can see from the evidence.

Being Near a Offence or not doing anything to stop a rouge officer is not a Breach of the ARPD Regulations, the two SAPD members may have not seen exactly what happened etc and hence cannot act upon it.
You have reported max for refusing to admit something, how can he admit something that he may have not see all of or is simply not sure, Capt Mason also simply claims the Suspect was handled correctly thats all he did.
Your report should be focused against the officer committing a rule break not against the people who where near the incident. I suggest you drop any complaint towards two people that i feel where simply witness's

Dear Sergeant, with all due respect since a Captain is involved in this report, I guess a Deputy Chief+ should handle this.
I understand your claims and I suppose a Deputy would also say those, so I will address them when someone handles this.

Suspect called Frank Hawk or whatever was just at the white line when he opened fire with his firearm, he got suspected for it and straight away after suspection he ran towards the bunch of people as he always does. Officer Lily took out also a firearm and neutralized the suspect as he was attempting to escape, I cant see a reason whats the issue ?

Suspect evading (Without shots fired) on foot - Suspect must be warned that if they do not yield, they will be fired upon. If they fail to heed the warning, then permission to open fire is granted (Standard duty equipment only)

Suspect was warned before we opened fire.

Yes I am claiming that he was escaping because I saw so, you cannot make me say otherwise because thats what I saw and in my opinion everything was alright. Suspect was guilty as he pulled out a firearm and shot with it in public, 2 other officers witnessed it. The suspect had enough time to surrender but instead of that he decided to evade.
And yes, I do not understand why are witnesses guilty in this offence as we did not shoot a single shot towards the person ? Perhaps you should've reported the citizens too for being witnesses then.

I have nothing else to add because this is already ridiculous.

Sir. he was not evading. You were there aiming a deagle at Frank, and you could clearly see what he was doing. You did not bother what he was trying to say, you simply let the ARPD kill him. This claim of 'evading' is outrageous as Frank was standing still while that happened.

Yes, I agree that you warned him. I remember seeing a warning, but thing is you did not even reply when he said it was a misclick. You came to the scene. Saw frank shoot 1 bullet (misclick), you suspected him. All 3 of you aimed at him. He moved a bit, and said 'oh man'. Then Monty and Frank both said it was an accident, yet Frank ended up dead.

Your fault is you suspected him immediately. Furthermore, you did not even talk to him after that. Moving on, you said the freecop did everything under rules and regulations. In the end, you come up with ths thing of 'evading'.

You're a Captain Sir. I'm sure you have spent years in this field. So one cannot mistake someone for evading. Its a simple thing. Yes or No. You keep saying you 'saw' he was evading. That's false. He didn't evade.

Suspect wasn't guilty as I explained it was a misclick. You did not investigate the matter. You chose to suspect him right away. You didn't even investigate the matter after his suspection. This resulted in the freecop killing him.


Sir, I do not believe you are a witness. You did not perform your duty as you should have. Due to a series of mistakes Frank was killed for no reason at all.

[Huntsman]

The suspect had a gun in his hands brandishing it and aiming it all over the place. Thats a reason valid enough to open fire.

In any case, i  can say whatever i want, it's still not a reason to add me to the report. I'm a SAPD Cadet and i have nothing to do with this, as i cannot punish the guy. You can report me for not admitting a mistake of some ARPD officer who shot Frank

[James Collin]

The suspect had a gun in his hands brandishing it and aiming it all over the place. Thats a reason valid enough to open fire.

In any case, i  can say whatever i want, it's still not a reason to add me to the report. I'm a SAPD Cadet and i have nothing to do with this, as i cannot punish the guy. You can report me for not admitting a mistake of some ARPD officer who shot Frank

You're clearly lying.
I would like to add the charge as 'lying' as Frank was standing still, yes the weapon out, but he wasn't aiming it all over the place. He was trying to talk it out.

[Tom Adams]

You say he's lying but still claiming he had weapon in his hand. I belive cadet expressed himself wrong by saying aiming all over the place, despite that yes, I suspected him for a valid crime, having a gun in public area and using it for no valid reason. I dont see my guilt in it.
You keep saying that I could not see him evading..like who are you ? You sound like a master of mine telling me who do I saw and whom not. What did I see was him heading towards the bunch of people around and I took at as evading. I cannot confirm whether this was caused by lag or not You keep claiming he was not evading but do you have any evidence about it ? You havent provided any. Suspect was given enough time to request investigation but he clearly did not say that he needs one, If you want an investigation you must comply with officers straight away.
If you dont have any evidence then dont try to tell us that he did not do this or that. Its your opinion.

[James Collin]

You say he's lying but still claiming he had weapon in his hand. I belive cadet expressed himself wrong by saying aiming all over the place, despite that yes, I suspected him for a valid crime, having a gun in public area and using it for no valid reason. I dont see my guilt in it.
You keep saying that I could not see him evading..like who are you ? You sound like a master of mine telling me who do I saw and whom not. What did I see was him heading towards the bunch of people around and I took at as evading. I cannot confirm whether this was caused by lag or not You keep claiming he was not evading but do you have any evidence about it ? You havent provided any. Suspect was given enough time to request investigation but he clearly did not say that he needs one, If you want an investigation you must comply with officers straight away.
If you dont have any evidence then dont try to tell us that he did not do this or that. Its your opinion.

Sir.
I would suggest to wait for Paul or any Deputy Chief.
However, I would reply to your request. The suspect walked like 2 steps from what I recall. He said "oh man". Then the suspect and another guy both tried to tell you it was an accident, a simple misclick. You guys did not feel the least bothered about that. Within 20 seconds after his suspection, he was shot dead.

Now you're telling me that he was given enough time to request an investigation. Sir, within 20 seconds he tried to explain it was an accident. He tried to type a few words, but you guys did not listen to him at all.

Sir, you were there. You saw everything. He was killed within 20 seconds. It's like you're protecting yourself by saying he 'evaded' and he was 'aiming all over the place'. Please recall the situation. None of that happened.

I would like to wait for a Deputy Chief+, because otherwise we could keep on discussing the same thing over and over. Instead we should act mature, let a higher rank handle this. See what he wants to ask, as I have already prepared my answers for some expected questions he will ask me. Please, you should also wait for a Deputy+. Thank you.


NOTE TO HANDLER:
I expect a Deputy Chief+ to handle this, as the person involved is a Captain. So I guess that's how it would work out?
Whoever handles this report, please do not close the report before addressing me. I have written a detailed description and would like you to read it before this report is closed. Thank you.

[Huntsman]

Once again i repeat that you cannot report me for denying someones guilt. Show me exactly which ARPD regulation i have broke. Exactly - none.
Besides, i know what i saw. He had a gun in his hand and was aiming. Now if you have evidence to prove otherwise, fine, if not, i dont see why this report is still here.

[James Collin]

Once again i repeat that you cannot report me for denying someones guilt. Show me exactly which ARPD regulation i have broke. Exactly - none.
Besides, i know what i saw. He had a gun in his hand and was aiming. Now if you have evidence to prove otherwise, fine, if not, i dont see why this report is still here.

Simply quoting you.
Precautions. In case you change your statement.

[Huntsman]

Do as you like. You have simply reported me for denying someones guilt, which is complete nosense.

[Tom Adams]

I am not trying to hide behind 'evading' or anything else, I am obviously telling my side of story and how I saw it. Now you suddenly say everything was dealt within 20 seconds, well to be very precise, I really doubt If it all would've been done within 20 seconds so get your facts straight. I repeat myself again: suspect was given enough time to surrender and he decided not to use it and he started running towards the bunch of people. Officer Lily Scotto unholstered his firearm and neutralized the suspect. Of course we left the scene just like that, we dont need a parade to leave the scene.
You are charging us basically in executing a person who were not given time to surrender, well If you keep saying he was not evading and officers on scene saw otherwise then please, provide evidence because you have not provided any evidence about it, neither have I because I did not feel like I had to as everything was done by procedures. If you blame us in something then, PLEASE provide evidence and valid evidence.
P.S. You wanted to open a discussion in this topic as we spoke earlier and now suddenly refusing from one. Well, how about we'll wait for the decision now then ?

[Huntsman]

Something i found in my screenshots. It was taken a good minute before things went fubar



The picture above shows the gun equipped. He was told to holster the gun many times but has not. Afterwards he started brandishing it and moving around like he always does which caused him to be shot.
Also, i have never said that i agree to the methods ARPD Officer Scotto has used. I have only cleared it out that our hands are tied because the suspect was threatening him with a weapon. It could have been prevented with simply using a pepper spray, ofcourse, but he did not do it. And even if we were able to do anything, why am i still in this report? I am a SAPD Cadet, i dont get to copban officers.

Now instead of wasting both yours and our time, you should report that officer who shot him instead.

[James Collin]

Something i found in my screenshots. It was taken a good minute before things went fubar



The picture above shows the gun equipped. He was told to holster the gun many times but has not. Afterwards he started brandishing it and moving around like he always does which caused him to be shot.
Also, i have never said that i agree to the methods ARPD Officer Scotto has used. I have only cleared it out that our hands are tied because the suspect was threatening him with a weapon. It could have been prevented with simply using a pepper spray, ofcourse, but he did not do it. And even if we were able to do anything, why am i still in this report? I am a SAPD Cadet, i dont get to copban officers.

Now instead of wasting both yours and our time, you should report that officer who shot him instead.

Will post a reply soon . Post reserved.

[Huntsman]

I am going to ask once again not to involve me in this report. I have nothing to do with this report as i am a lowest ranked SAPD official. What did you expect me to do? Copban him with the powers i do not have?

[Huntsman]

Progress on this report?

[Sushi]

As this report has not been noted by anyone yet, I, Deputy Chief K. Gould will be looking into it.

Will post a summary of the current investigation within 24 hours.

[James Collin]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xy38nf_franks-death_videogames#.UUSkaBfimc4

Here is the evidence we all have been awaiting for.
Before starting the video, I suggest you watch it 2 times at least before reading any further.
Also, please watch it full screen so that you can read the chatlog properly.

Facts from the Video
Time of Suspection - 00:02
Frank says "oh man" 00:13
Monty claims it was an accident 00:17
Frank says it was an accident 00:19
Time of first shot 00:20
Time of death 00:23

Total time between suspection and death - 00:21

Now, lets review the entire video.
Frank hawk mis-clicked and was shot by accident. Immedietly suspected by Captain Andrew. They walk to him, aiming guns.
Mr. Frank tries to tell you that it was a mistake. "Oh well", "It was an accident". Monty Corleone, the so called 'victim' of the shot also says it was an accident. Then Frank Hawk is shot dead while he was standing still.
The entire situation is exactly how I claimed it was.

Now lets look at what Mr. Andrew, and Mr. Max has tried to tell everyone in this report.

Frank Hawk had his gun equiped and kept brandishing it which officer Scotto could have taken as an assault attempt.

"kept brandishing it". I was just amused how Mr. Max can lie just like that...

after suspection he ran towards the bunch of people as he always does

After suspection, he ran towards the bunch of people. Right.

Officer Lily took out also a firearm and neutralized the suspect as he was attempting to escape

"attempting to escape". Clearly a big fat lie.

Yes I am claiming that he was escaping because I saw so

Sir, with all due respect, if you can't even differentiate between a player standing still, and a player evading, I honestly don't think you deserve the Captain rank.

The suspect had enough time to surrender but instead of that he decided to evade.

As seen in the evidence, he did not evade. He tried to explain it was an accident.

Besides, i know what i saw. He had a gun in his hand and was aiming

Right.

I really doubt If it all would've been done within 20 seconds so get your facts straight.

I'm sorry. It was 21 seconds. I sincerely hope you understand that your own facts aren't straight.

suspect was given enough time to surrender and he decided not to use it and he started running towards the bunch of people.

Suspect was given 21 seconds. During that time he was standing still, and simply walked towards his friend. During this time he tried to explain it was an accident.

The picture above shows the gun equipped. He was told to holster the gun many times but has not. Afterwards he started brandishing it and moving around like he always does which caused him to be shot.

Okay.



Directed to, Deputy Chief Sushi and Chief Paul
Gentlemen, it is absolutely clear from the evidence that Captain Andrew Mason, and Cadet Max Adams, not only did they break their own regulations, they also protected a freecop who committed wrongdoing, and furthermore they also have been clearly lying in this very report to protect and hide their actions. 

I rest my case.

[Tom Adams]

Okay, in which positsion you are to decide whether I am suitable for rank or not ? None, so such comments should be left to yourself.

I would also like to know which regulations me and Cadet (now Officer) Adams broke as video CLEARLY shows we didnt shot a single shot ? Also suspect was warned before. Now that is amusing