Report: Andrew Mason, Max Adams, Lily Scotto

[Huntsman]

Aight

why SAPD Captain Andrew Mason and SAPD Cadet (at the time) Max Adams not discipline the ARPD Officer at all for an obvious break in procedure (as well as server rule).

When i was being accepted into SAPD, when it still had the old system with the academy present, i heard academy manager Nexxt tell one SAPD Cadet that he shall not push other people around, as SAPD Cadet is basically a freecop, who's learning and getting ready for SAPD.

After this i've been in constant belief that SAPD Cadets do not outrank ARPD Officers. Not to mention on my previous attempt to lecture ARPD Officers from wrong doings i was more than once told to shut up and that i'm only a cadet and i have no right to order anyone around. I have not taken action myself because i had a command member with me and i was awaiting to see what is he intending to do about it, but he did not do anything, and i guess he had his own reasons for that.

In addition, I will ask why none of the officers on scene tried to tell the suspect to surrender and/or put his gun down at all after the initial call out by Captain Mason. This however, can be attributed to a lack of hands free communication and it is common for officers to aim a little while before it is established who is the one lowering their weapon to speak.

The suspect was aware of us wanting him to put the gun down, as he kept showing signs of being aware (Not AFK), but he did not bother to put down his gun and shown no interest towards the officers that demanded him to put the gun down by his own actions. As part of LSPD this is not the first time i encounter Mr.Hawk , and most of the times when he gets suspected he simply keeps ignoring the officers with his gun equipped, walks around a little making the officers to loose their guard and then opens fire. This might have influenced my behaviour and i was ready to return fire if needed. I expected other officers on the scene to warn him.

Also, i observed the video once again. If you take a careful look, at 00:04 Captain Mason warns him to surrender via the megaphone before we actually approached him.

And even if Frank hit Monty by accident, what he should have done is immediatly put his gun gun down and shown signs of compliance. If he did that, this could have all been prevented..

[Sushi]

Okay, so currently the only thing I could even slightly question is whether the officer was punished later.

The two SAPD members, were within their bounds during the situation, albeit light on the roleplay; they did not break any regulations. If they have lied in this report about anything, I will take it up personally with each of them and discuss it.


James, I am awaiting a response from you in the next 24 hours about my statements so far. If one is not received I shall close the report without further discussion.

[James Collin]

The two major accusations, have been proved valid then.
That both these officers did not question or punish Lily for what happened. After that they protected him by lying in this report. From my point of view, I see this as corruption.

So yes, the freecop will be punished.
What would the pu. shment be for neglecting their duty? Failing to question or punish that guy?
Also instead of taking the lying personally, it should be open. I suggest you take whatever action you seem fair, in this report. They have committed corruption to some extent.

It is common that accomplice on murder is charged with murder in some laws. Whereas in others the punishment is lower, but still persists. Similarly protecting an officer for his wrongdoing by lying in the report should be handled similarly.

[Huntsman]

The two major accusations, have been proved valid then.
That both these officers did not question or punish Lily for what happened. After that they protected him by lying in this report. From my point of view, I see this as corruption.

So yes, the freecop will be punished.
What would the pu. shment be for neglecting their duty? Failing to question or punish that guy?
Also instead of taking the lying personally, it should be open. I suggest you take whatever action you seem fair, in this report. They have committed corruption to some extent.

It is common that accomplice on murder is charged with murder in some laws. Whereas in others the punishment is lower, but still persists. Similarly protecting an officer for his wrongdoing by lying in the report should be handled similarly.

Stop making up regulations. Lying is NOT against any ARPD regulation, noir is being a witness. I was a SAPD Cadet which means i had no authority over that ARPD Officer, i also had a SAPD Captain with me so i was under his command

[Huntsman]

Lying doesn't show you as a great person though, does it? As an SAPD member, you should not lay down false information, you should speak nothing but the truth. You should be ashamed of yourself for thinking otherwise. Do you think people will trust you?

You're not supposed to post here, as per report rules you're not allowed to.
And i never admitted i have lied, i have only stated that it is not against ARPD procedures. I only said what i recall i saw because i havent paid attention to that situation at all.

[James Collin]

You're not supposed to post here, as per report rules you're not allowed to.
And i never admitted i have lied, i have only stated that it is not against ARPD procedures. I only said what i recall i saw because i havent paid attention to that situation at all.

Okay. So because you didn't pay attention on duty at all, you seemed to have seen Frank hawk evading, and aiming his gun all over the place. It doesn't take any calculus thinking. A suspect is standing still. And a suspect is aiming his gun amd evading. What kind of attention would one need to differentiate between the two?....
If you cannot be that attentive, why were you even on duty?

You said you didn't pay any attention. So why not just say that initially? That you don't remember, or that you were not attentive. Why did you have a completely different made up story, and you tried to stay stiff on it, declaring that that was how it happened..

I don't know why you're saying that you did not lie... Even sushi posted that you both did. I mean, that's like going on a rant saying the color green isn't green...

[Huntsman]

When i was still patrolling in the city, i had to pay a visit to idlewood thousands of times a day due to the constant disturbance there.
If i would memorize every single accident my head would explode.

[James Collin]

First off. This report was created shortly after the incident and it doesn't take a genius to remember it.
Secondly, I provided screenshots and once you saw them, you recalled the situation
 Everyone would.
Lastly, if you really could not remember the incident at all, why didn't you say so?
So you're saying that you did lie. You did not remember anything, but you still made up the evading and aiming the gun everywhere, and placed it neatly in this report, thinking I had no evidence?

Dear Sushi, this should be clear. They knew I cannot counteract their claims of evading and aiming by the screenshots I had posted. They wanted the report to be closed for lack of evidence as I would not be able to prove that frank was standing still. That's the reason they made up the stories. They provided false information for god knows what reason. But the motive of hiding the true nature of the incident, and protecting a free cop who clearly broke rules is crystal clear.

[Huntsman]

First off. This report was created shortly after the incident and it doesn't take a genius to remember it.
Secondly, I provided screenshots and once you saw them, you recalled the situation
 Everyone would.
Lastly, if you really could not remember the incident at all, why didn't you say so?
So you're saying that you did lie. You did not remember anything, but you still made up the evading and aiming the gun everywhere, and placed it neatly in this report, thinking I had no evidence?

Dear Sushi, this should be clear. They knew I cannot counteract their claims of evading and aiming by the screenshots I had posted. They wanted the report to be closed for lack of evidence as I would not be able to prove that frank was standing still. That's the reason they made up the stories. They provided false information for god knows what reason. But the motive of hiding the true nature of the incident, and protecting a free cop who clearly broke rules is crystal clear.

I have not protected him. I never said i lied, i told the things as i remembered them, end of story.
Now stop throwing false accusations and lets wait for the verdict.

[Sushi]

I am taking some time out of my work to try and finish this report once and for all, but I hope everyone understands that things like this aren't black and white.

By all means the officers followed standard regulations. Common sense is a part of these regulations and defense of life is also the job of an officer, any officer.

I am willing to dismiss some details that may have been forgotten but substantial discrepancies will need to be analysed by a team to properly deduce what was said to try and redirect attention.

Stop making up regulations. Lying is NOT against any ARPD regulation, noir is being a witness. I was a SAPD Cadet which means i had no authority over that ARPD Officer, i also had a SAPD Captain with me so i was under his command

Like I said, common sense is something that all officers must possess and lying is more than just frowned upon, especially on official proceedings like a report. You lose the right of just being a witness when you have the power to actively defend life and have the ability to discipline. Now, I will start quoting the regulations that you should know.

4.1 states All SAPD members are encouraged to assist ARPD Officers in expanding their knowledge as members of law enforcement. This expands to discipline when they do something that is clearly wrong, so I want to know whether you; Max or the Captain that you were under the command of disciplined Lily in any way whatsoever.


The claims still stand at the following:
- Neglect of duty (Discipline of ARPD Officer Lily)
- 'Corruption' (Lying on an official report about events)

I myself can not alone analyse this entire topic and mark out all discrepancies so I will be taking it with another command member to finalise this; hopefully by the end of this week. I will again apologise, that I cannot actively handle this quickly due to my real life commitments, but I am still trying my best. Shortly, this will be moved to under investigation so Max, please answer whether anyone disciplined the officer for their actions after this event.

[Huntsman]

I have never admitted of lying, Deputy Chief, i have only said "even if i have lied". Details might mismatch because as i said, everything happened quite fast and i was not really paying attention to the details. I do not remember everything that has happened. As i said before, i was expecting SAPD Captain Mason to do something about it, therefor i did not discipline the officer noir took any action. Regardless, my current rank at the time did not permit me to take any actions. I do not recall if something was told to Lilly or not. What i remember is Captain Mason scolding him afterwards, i am not sure though.

[James Collin]

So initially you kept denying my statement that the incident took 20 seconds, and Frank was shot while standing still, blah blah.

And you said:

Something i found in my screenshots. It was taken a good minute before things went fubar

Where you clearly implied, the situation took at least 60 seconds.


Now, you're contradicting yourself...

everything happened quite fast and i was not really paying attention to the details.

Details might mismatch

Details might mismatch? Your entire story, entire story, was 100% different. And there's no might. If you're unsure of this, just read the entire report from page 1.

i was not really paying attention to the details. I do not remember everything that has happened.

Max. I'm sure everyone would agree that it does not take a genius nor a keen detail observation to differentiate between a person aiming a gun, and evading, and a person who is simply standing still.
It is completely impossible for someone to not recall or differentiate between the two situations by looking at screenshots of an incident that happened only an hour ago. 

[Sushi]

A situation can seem to go for 2 minutes when it actually happened within 30 seconds, that I completely understand.

This report will now be formally investigated.

[Plam Knight]

Considered that few days ago Marcus, but seeing that Sushi took it, I think we should leave him handle it.

[Sushi]

San Andreas Police Department
15/06/2013

STATEMENT IN REGARDS TO THE CLOSURE OF THIS REPORT

On June 07, 2013 at 13:44, a report was submitted by Omar Aly as a lawful citizen of the United States of Argonath.

Since then, an investigation has been conducted by the SAPD command staff member:
-Jason Bridges

The summary and conclusion of the report has now been decided and will be released to the public.

- Officer Lily Scotto was clearly breaching rules
- Captain Tom Adams did not visibly discipline the reported officer
- Officer (Cadet at the time) Max Adams did not take action against the officer either

-- In conclusion, Officer Lily Scotto will be suspended from duty for the aforementioned 5 days. Former Captain Tom Adams will be asked to question officers such as these more in future and former Officer (then Cadet) Max Adams will be asked to do the same. This is due to the extended nature of the report and it's handling (my fault), this case can be used as a basis for reference in future situations.

If the verdict of this report seems unfair to anyone, you can report this to a Deputy Chief via an ARPD Forum PM and we may reopen the case if your argument is valid enough.


Signed,
Deputy Chief Kelvin 'Sushi' Gould