[ARPD Report] TinMan - Goodandy

[murdoxix]

Directed to: SAPD authority.
ARPD Officer Policy violators:

1. TinMan - Aiming civilians. Forcing a lawyer to leave his client. Abusing his suspect CMD. Shooting to suspects without giving any kind of warning.
2. Goodandy - Aiming civilians. Forcing a lawyer to leave his client. Helping an abuser. Shooting to suspects without giving any kind of warning.

 a. Report on: [MA]Alejandro_Scott, TinMan and Goodandy
 b. No more evidence but I will explain what has happened... Game_Ford was suspect and I was trying to be his lawyer when this cop and his two partners oblige me to left the car where was going my client, I didn't liked this at all, but I complied anyway, then we was waiting Game_Ford because he wasn't in the game and I get suspected by officer TinMan for "Failing to Leave" when I was complying with this abusers (they requested me to left the car and I did it)  and then, the three officers start shooting me without give me any kind of warning, they also killed me.

Date: April 8th, 2013.
Time: 5:05.

Civillian(s) involved: None.
Suspect(s) involved: Game_Ford

Signed
Ale_Rivosecchi

[Jason Bridges]

Hi, I'm Sergeant Bridges and I'll be handling this report.

Could you please inform the two officers that they're being reported and get them to post their statements here.

[murdoxix]

Hi, I'm Sergeant Bridges and I'll be handling this report.

Could you please inform the two officers that they're being reported and get them to post their statements here.

I will when I see them online.


April 9th, 2013 - Officer TinMan informed.

[Goodandy]

I am hereby aware of your case.

[murdoxix]

I am hereby aware of your case.

Goodandy informed as you can see.

[Goodandy]

This log has had some unnecessary information removed, such as advertisements etc.
All statements are stated here...

Go ahead get a log check if you don't believe me...

[22:16:24] You entered a Police Car(149), owner: [SAPD]LosSantos
[22:16:39] Game_Ford(2) was suspected by officer Goodandy(7) for Traspassing
[22:16:47] <TinMan> (1) 'area \s\
[22:16:59] [MA]Alejandro_Scott(5): Police Radio: SU-2 Surrender by LSPD, Over.
[22:17:07] <Goodandy> (7) Hmm?
[22:17:09] <aLe_rIvoSeCcHi> (4) do it
[22:17:15] <aLe_rIvoSeCcHi> (4) no reallt
[22:17:17] The hitman contract on [MA]Alejandro_Scott(5) for $1000 has been terminated, killing them is now DMing.
[22:17:26] You entered a Police Car(149), owner: [SAPD]LosSantos
[22:17:45] Game_Ford(2) is at: Idlewood, Los Santos
[22:17:46] [MA]Alejandro_Scott(5) has joined the server from Sweden.
[22:17:46] Goodandy(7): Police Radio: Idelwood, Over.
[22:19:43] [MA]Alejandro_Scott(5): Police Radio: SU-2 Heading To Willowfield, Over.
[22:19:43] Game_Ford(2) is at: Willowfield, Los Santos
[22:19:48] Goodandy(7): Police Radio: 10-4, Over.
[22:20:02] Game_Ford(2) is at: Willowfield, Los Santos
[22:20:35] [MA]Alejandro_Scott(5): Police Radio: Heading to ganton, Over.
[22:20:57] aLe_rIvoSeCcHi(4) was suspected by officer Goodandy(7) for Interfeering
[22:21:48] {1A46FF}[HQ]: {409FFF}Criminal aLe_rIvoSeCcHi(4) surrendered. {1A46FF}DO NOT KILL HIM {409FFF}, proceed to transport him.
[22:21:58] You entered a Police Car(149), owner: [SAPD]LosSantos
[22:22:03] <aLe_rIvoSeCcHi> (4) you don't have to shoot for kill...
[22:22:15] <aLe_rIvoSeCcHi> (4) haha, have to learn some procedures
[22:22:39] <aLe_rIvoSeCcHi> (4) guys, you have to request to suspect to give up before shoot
[22:22:58] <aLe_rIvoSeCcHi> (4) np, going to report, brb
[22:23:05] <Goodandy> (7) Go for it
[22:23:19] <aLe_rIvoSeCcHi> (4) yee <3
[22:23:23] <Goodandy> (7)
[22:25:05] <Goodandy> (7) I'm off guys, take care
[22:25:13] <[MA]Alejandro_Scott> (5) Bye
[22:25:17] <[MA]Alejandro_Scott> (5) Take care man
[22:25:17] You are frozen to allow world objects to build, please wait 3 seconds.
[22:25:20] You should be able to move now but if you still can't, try using /thawme
[22:25:20] <Goodandy> (7) You too

[TinMan]

Howdy,
 
Thank you for reporting this to the ARPD Forums. I am officer TinMan the one who shot and killed you.

Dear SAPD,
There is a lot of information that Mr. Ale_Rivosecchi lefted out. First of all, we were transporting a dangerous suspect Game_Ford to Mordor. Mr. Ale_Rivosecchi the whole time was interfering by sitting in the patrol car and refused to leave after multiple warnings. He randomly entered the vehicle that the suspect was in and the transport unit pulled over 3 times just trying to tell Ale_Rivosecchi to get out and leave. At first we asked him nicely to leave, then he wouldn't so instead of suspecting him there we just used non-lethal force to get him to leave and all. Still after many many warnings we decided to suspect him while he was in the patrol car. That is when he got out of the car, ran to the road and went AFK. After he came back from AFK that is when we decided to just open fire. In the video, it may show that he was standing on the road when we suspected him, but that is very incorrect. This is what happened. After suspection, Ale_Rivosecchi ran out of the patrol car and suddenly went AFK. What happened in the 17 second vehicle is what happened here. During this, the suspect had enough time to type the /td, so he had enough time to type /gu, especially. In addition, when he came back being from AFK, I missed him on purpose - warning shots. Obviously, Ale Rivossocchi was just wasting our time running around like a chimpanzee and since we had a wanted man heading off to Mordor we took this guy not as a felon but more as a terrorist. We do not know what his intentions were doing in that patrol vehicle besides him saying he was his lawyer, and we told him many times to leave and leave but all he did was refuse. We also told him that he may visit Mordor later but that message never got across to him. So you can't tell us that we never warned you. If you would've left in the first place you would've been alright but after provoking us many times you got what you deserved. Nevertheless, SAPD, you need to take consideration the suspect who we were transporting kept purposely /q'ing, re-entering the server, kept running around in circles with his lawyer, so us officers already had enough with this cluster of f**kness and Ale_Rivesecchi just totally asked for it. And I personally had a hit on me.

In more of a precise of what I said....

• Failed to comply after multiple warnings - intefering with a dangerous suspect heading to Mordor
• After the suspection the suspect ran out of the vehicle and went AFK
• The suspect had enough time to surrender [running around like a chimpanzee] - therefore provoking

Signed,

TinMan

[murdoxix]

This log has had some unnecessary information removed, such as advertisements etc.
All statements are stated here...

Go ahead get a log check if you don't believe me...

(CHATLOG)

I don't see any problem with this chatlog really...

Howdy,
 
Thank you for reporting this to the ARPD Forums. I am officer TinMan the one who shot and killed you.

Dear SAPD,
There is a lot of information that Mr. Ale_Rivosecchi lefted out. First of all, we were transporting a dangerous suspect Game_Ford to Mordor. Mr. Ale_Rivosecchi the whole time was interfering by sitting in the patrol car and refused to leave after multiple warnings. He randomly entered the vehicle that the suspect was in and the transport unit pulled over 3 times just trying to tell Ale_Rivosecchi to get out and leave. At first we asked him nicely to leave, then he wouldn't so instead of suspecting him there we just used non-lethal force to get him to leave and all. Still after many many warnings we decided to suspect him while he was in the patrol car. That is when he got out of the car, ran to the road and went AFK. After he came back from AFK that is when we decided to just open fire. In the video, it may show that he was standing on the road when we suspected him, but that is very incorrect. This is what happened. After suspection, Ale_Rivosecchi ran out of the patrol car and suddenly went AFK. What happened in the 17 second vehicle is what happened here. During this, the suspect had enough time to type the /td, so he had enough time to type /gu, especially. In addition, when he came back being from AFK, I missed him on purpose - warning shots. Obviously, Ale Rivossocchi was just wasting our time running around like a chimpanzee and since we had a wanted man heading off to Mordor we took this guy not as a felon but more as a terrorist. We do not know what his intentions were doing in that patrol vehicle besides him saying he was his lawyer, and we told him many times to leave and leave but all he did was refuse. We also told him that he may visit Mordor later but that message never got across to him. So you can't tell us that we never warned you. If you would've left in the first place you would've been alright but after provoking us many times you got what you deserved. Nevertheless, SAPD, you need to take consideration the suspect who we were transporting kept purposely /q'ing, re-entering the server, kept running around in circles with his lawyer, so us officers already had enough with this cluster of f**kness and Ale_Rivesecchi just totally asked for it. And I personally had a hit on me.

In more of a precise of what I said....

• Failed to comply after multiple warnings - intefering with a dangerous suspect heading to Mordor
• After the suspection the suspect ran out of the vehicle and went AFK
• The suspect had enough time to surrender [running around like a chimpanzee] - therefore provoking

Signed,

TinMan

Since I was his lawyer, I wasn't "interfering by sitting in the patrol car". When you requested me to left the car I tried to let you understand I was his lawyer, but not, you and your partners start aiming me. When you suspected me I wasn't in the car... And I never went AFK man... Maybe you saw the sandclock because I started recording and this makes lag so sometimes show sandlock, but I never went afk, stop lying please. I didn't type /gu because is scriptabuse, you can't /gu in the middle of shoot out, and less with low health, I had time to do /td but one second later you killed me, since you and your partners after you suspected me started shooting for kill without any kind of warning nor request to give up. Don't call me 'chimpanzee'. Did I really provoke you? I can't remember, if I did it, then sorry. And I can't do nothing if my client was crashing or /qi'ng, this is up the administration team.

[TinMan]

Since I was his lawyer, I wasn't "interfering by sitting in the patrol car". When you requested me to left the car I tried to let you understand I was his lawyer, but not, you and your partners start aiming me.

As a lawyer you should probably be aware of

Act XIII: Obstruction to justice: Anyone who cause, by their presence or action or any by any means disrupt the tasks of a law enforcement person is to be charged by obstruction to justice. Anyone who refuses too cooperate with a law enforcement personnal who has legal motives to act can be charged with obstruction to justice.

You were obstructing the transport to Mordor and also refused to comply with Law Enforcement.

When you suspected me I wasn't in the car... And I never went AFK man... Maybe you saw the sandclock because I started recording and this makes lag so sometimes show sandlock, but I never went afk, stop lying please.[/quote]

Yes you went AFK a good 30 seconds.

I didn't type /gu because is scriptabuse, you can't /gu in the middle of shoot out, and less with low health, I had time to do /td but one second later you killed me, since you and your partners after you suspected me started shooting for kill without any kind of warning nor request to give up.

You could have surrendered to the police right after you got suspected rather than running in circles.

Don't call me 'chimpanzee'. Did I really provoke you? I can't remember, if I did it, then sorry. And I can't do nothing if my client was crashing or /qi'ng, this is up the administration team.

By refusing to leave, running in circles, causing trouble that is provoking. It wasn't just "talk provoke" it was your actions and refusing to leave provoke.

In addition you called me an abuser there and here. Don't call be an abuser and I won't call you a chimpanzee.

...complying with this abusers....

Signed,

TinMan

[murdoxix]

As how I say, I didn't went AFK, if you have proofs, show them. I didn't have time for /gu since you suspected me and instantly started shooting. I didn't had another way to run in circles.

[TinMan]

Okay, after reviewing the video several times and looking at the chat logs at a better look. As I remember now, it was right after you said "wtf" your sandlock appears that just made it look like you went AFK on purpose but I guess it was only lag.

[murdoxix]

Okay, after reviewing the video several times and looking at the chat logs at a better look. As I remember now, it was right after you said "wtf" your sandlock appears that just made it look like you went AFK on purpose but I guess it was only lag.

Probably was Fraps, we can test it if you want...

[Jason Bridges]

To Officer Goodandy:
Could you explain the relevance of this chatlog?

Spoiler (Click to expand)

[22:16:24] You entered a Police Car(149), owner: [SAPD]LosSantos
[22:16:39] Game_Ford(2) was suspected by officer Goodandy(7) for Traspassing
[22:16:47] <TinMan> (1) 'area \s\
[22:16:59] [MA]Alejandro_Scott(5): Police Radio: SU-2 Surrender by LSPD, Over.
[22:17:07] <Goodandy> (7) Hmm?
[22:17:09] <aLe_rIvoSeCcHi> (4) do it
[22:17:15] <aLe_rIvoSeCcHi> (4) no reallt
[22:17:17] The hitman contract on [MA]Alejandro_Scott(5) for $1000 has been terminated, killing them is now DMing.
[22:17:26] You entered a Police Car(149), owner: [SAPD]LosSantos
[22:17:45] Game_Ford(2) is at: Idlewood, Los Santos
[22:17:46] [MA]Alejandro_Scott(5) has joined the server from Sweden.
[22:17:46] Goodandy(7): Police Radio: Idelwood, Over.
[22:19:43] [MA]Alejandro_Scott(5): Police Radio: SU-2 Heading To Willowfield, Over.
[22:19:43] Game_Ford(2) is at: Willowfield, Los Santos
[22:19:48] Goodandy(7): Police Radio: 10-4, Over.
[22:20:02] Game_Ford(2) is at: Willowfield, Los Santos
[22:20:35] [MA]Alejandro_Scott(5): Police Radio: Heading to ganton, Over.
[22:20:57] aLe_rIvoSeCcHi(4) was suspected by officer Goodandy(7) for Interfeering
[22:21:48] {1A46FF}[HQ]: {409FFF}Criminal aLe_rIvoSeCcHi(4) surrendered. {1A46FF}DO NOT KILL HIM {409FFF}, proceed to transport him.
[22:21:58] You entered a Police Car(149), owner: [SAPD]LosSantos
[22:22:03] <aLe_rIvoSeCcHi> (4) you don't have to shoot for kill...
[22:22:15] <aLe_rIvoSeCcHi> (4) haha, have to learn some procedures
[22:22:39] <aLe_rIvoSeCcHi> (4) guys, you have to request to suspect to give up before shoot
[22:22:58] <aLe_rIvoSeCcHi> (4) np, going to report, brb
[22:23:05] <Goodandy> (7) Go for it
[22:23:19] <aLe_rIvoSeCcHi> (4) yee <3
[22:23:23] <Goodandy> (7)
[22:25:05] <Goodandy> (7) I'm off guys, take care
[22:25:13] <[MA]Alejandro_Scott> (5) Bye
[22:25:17] <[MA]Alejandro_Scott> (5) Take care man
[22:25:17] You are frozen to allow world objects to build, please wait 3 seconds.
[22:25:20] You should be able to move now but if you still can't, try using /thawme
[22:25:20] <Goodandy> (7) You too[/font]

From what I can see the incident occured at 00:00 CET, not 22:25, so why have you provided this as evidence:


To Officer TinMan:
-Why did you open fire on the suspect without issuing any warnings? And why did you use a combat shotgun as well
-Did you aim your weapon at Mr Rivosecchi whilst he was a civilian, if so, why?

[Goodandy]

To Officer Goodandy:
Could you explain the relevance of this chatlog?

Spoiler (Click to expand)

[22:16:24] You entered a Police Car(149), owner: [SAPD]LosSantos
[22:16:39] Game_Ford(2) was suspected by officer Goodandy(7) for Traspassing
[22:16:47] <TinMan> (1) 'area \s\
[22:16:59] [MA]Alejandro_Scott(5): Police Radio: SU-2 Surrender by LSPD, Over.
[22:17:07] <Goodandy> (7) Hmm?
[22:17:09] <aLe_rIvoSeCcHi> (4) do it
[22:17:15] <aLe_rIvoSeCcHi> (4) no reallt
[22:17:17] The hitman contract on [MA]Alejandro_Scott(5) for $1000 has been terminated, killing them is now DMing.
[22:17:26] You entered a Police Car(149), owner: [SAPD]LosSantos
[22:17:45] Game_Ford(2) is at: Idlewood, Los Santos
[22:17:46] [MA]Alejandro_Scott(5) has joined the server from Sweden.
[22:17:46] Goodandy(7): Police Radio: Idelwood, Over.
[22:19:43] [MA]Alejandro_Scott(5): Police Radio: SU-2 Heading To Willowfield, Over.
[22:19:43] Game_Ford(2) is at: Willowfield, Los Santos
[22:19:48] Goodandy(7): Police Radio: 10-4, Over.
[22:20:02] Game_Ford(2) is at: Willowfield, Los Santos
[22:20:35] [MA]Alejandro_Scott(5): Police Radio: Heading to ganton, Over.
[22:20:57] aLe_rIvoSeCcHi(4) was suspected by officer Goodandy(7) for Interfeering
[22:21:48] {1A46FF}[HQ]: {409FFF}Criminal aLe_rIvoSeCcHi(4) surrendered. {1A46FF}DO NOT KILL HIM {409FFF}, proceed to transport him.
[22:21:58] You entered a Police Car(149), owner: [SAPD]LosSantos
[22:22:03] <aLe_rIvoSeCcHi> (4) you don't have to shoot for kill...
[22:22:15] <aLe_rIvoSeCcHi> (4) haha, have to learn some procedures
[22:22:39] <aLe_rIvoSeCcHi> (4) guys, you have to request to suspect to give up before shoot
[22:22:58] <aLe_rIvoSeCcHi> (4) np, going to report, brb
[22:23:05] <Goodandy> (7) Go for it
[22:23:19] <aLe_rIvoSeCcHi> (4) yee <3
[22:23:23] <Goodandy> (7)
[22:25:05] <Goodandy> (7) I'm off guys, take care
[22:25:13] <[MA]Alejandro_Scott> (5) Bye
[22:25:17] <[MA]Alejandro_Scott> (5) Take care man
[22:25:17] You are frozen to allow world objects to build, please wait 3 seconds.
[22:25:20] You should be able to move now but if you still can't, try using /thawme
[22:25:20] <Goodandy> (7) You too[/font]

From what I can see the incident occured at 00:00 CET, not 22:25, so why have you provided this as evidence:

I am not sure then, I believed that it happened at that time.

[Jason Bridges]

Alright, the reporting officer has 3 days to post here showing he is still interested, then a verdict will be reached approximately by the 30th April. In the meantime, any other relevant details/evidence should be posted now.

[murdoxix]

I'm very interested and I'm checking the forum everyday. I hope a good end for this!

[Goodandy]

I'm very interested and I'm checking the forum everyday. I hope a good end for this!

Tell me what is considered a "good end," for you? 

[murdoxix]

I'm very interested and I'm checking the forum everyday. I hope a good end for this!

Tell me what is considered a "good end," for you? 

I decline to answer. Isn't up to you.

[Jason Bridges]

To Officer Goodandy:

2. Goodandy - Aiming civilians

Did either Tinman or you aim your weapons at Mr Rivosecchi whilst he was a civilian? If so, why?

[Goodandy]

To Officer Goodandy:

2. Goodandy - Aiming civilians

Did either Tinman or you aim your weapons at Mr Rivosecchi whilst he was a civilian? If so, why?

I do not understand the information quoted. "Aiming civilians," yields the fact that the civilian was aiming at something, but it is unclear what...