Responding to large scale events

[[WS]Mike]

Evening,

It has come to my attention once more that large scale "events" that occur in-game, specifically mass shootouts, family gang wars, or high profile barricaded suspect situations spur a lot of buzz around the SAPD, evoking a response from us in force.

The San Andreas Police Department encourages every officer to evaluate a situation before responding to it. We do not encourage responding to "Mass-DM" scenarios with the intent of the other party to encourage the death of our staff members. When roleplay is involved and a peaceful outcome is possible, then we will not deny our assistance in such a case.

An example from an HQ member being:
 

"A group of criminals "decides" to do a bank robbery. They prepare themself with alot of weapons and armor. When they are inside, they actually call 911 themself to let SAPD know they are inside there, and of course SAPD responds. During this time when SAPD is organizing themself to meet the robbers, the robbers are constantly calling 911, taunting SAPD to go in. As soon as SAPD comes in, SAPD gets sprayed with bullets from those robbers inside. "

There are immediate signs that the other party is prepared to do nothing but spray bullets into members of the police. Repeatedly calling 911, taunting the organized group outside the area, etc... If you are unsure on wether or not you should respond to a large scale situation, consult a command member for further instruction.

To make it clear, do not respond to situations which may turn into deathmatching type scenarios. If necessary, contact a member of the administration team to have them review the actions and handle the potential problem accordingly. This does not mean do not respond to shots fired calls or C30's, just do not give in to the blatant "baiting" of the other party in which they are here on one agenda, to kill cops.

- Chief Sangelo

[Francisco Martinez]

This thing of kidnappers and robbers calling 911 should be forbidden, it's like a free ticket to a TDM event. Server administration should take a more serious look to this.

[Nexus Riggs]

This thing of kidnappers and robbers calling 911 should be forbidden, it's like a free ticket to a TDM event. Server administration should take a more serious look to this.

Expect the administration team to be meticulous of recent developments of all massive situation and break up any DM fests from this point. As the Chief stated, all SAPD personnel must evaluate and comprehend the intentions of the other party before immediately responding to them. If anyone receives provocations to respond to any criminal entity, let other units know and if needed report the person provoking you to the administration via /report in game. All Non-RP/Unrealistic provocations will be dealt accordingly by the SA:MP Administration. SAPD members must not respond to such incidents otherwise they will also be considered part of the TDM, be warned!

[Chase]

You can probably expect the FBI to do the same from here on out. I will reiterate something I have said many times - policies like this would not be needed if HQ took more action... up to and including server bans and group closures of regulars who ought to know this is not a team deathmatch server.

[Sushi]

In the final times of RS4, this was the general consensus among commanding officers. If there was a call directly by anyone involved in the robbery, essentially provoking the SAPD to respond to a deathmatch trap, server administration was called and they took it from there.

Otherwise, we would position as many officers as we needed outside and wait. Either they came out and faced us, or they logged out when they got bored.

[Pedro]

This thing of kidnappers and robbers calling 911 should be forbidden, it's like a free ticket to a TDM event. Server administration should take a more serious look to this.

Agree.

[DarkShadowBlade]

This thing of kidnappers and robbers calling 911 should be forbidden, it's like a free ticket to a TDM event. Server administration should take a more serious look to this.

Their is no real answer to this, so basically my response is; Not really. If anyone remembers, a few months ago we had that massive Combined Operation when the LS Bank was being robbed. FBI, ASID, Air Div, SWAT, and SAPD was all there. I remember being one of the first on scene and what happened was a 911 call. Sure it may seem like TDM but it isn't always the case. It really depends on the person or group who is doing it. Now, there isn't really a way to do Kidnapping and Robbing RP if 911 calls can't be made. The only hope would be a cop passes by and sees the situation unfolding, however, these kidnappers/robbers could just do this type of RP in front of a cop.

The only thing that could help, would be that certain situations should have admin approval granted before hand. Some examples are Robbing a Bank, Massive (5+ C30 Suspects) Shootouts, Bomb Threats, Kidnapping. If there are no admins then what could be done is prohibit such actions unless a certain number of cops are on. This could be seen as against Argonath's Vision in a way as you are stopping people from starting RP and Forcing them not to start it, but if this isn't done, then we are just going to get people who will kidnap just so they can DM the only 3 cops on the server. To sum it up, Large Scale Events should have admin approval granted before hand, if not a certain number of SAPD members should be online and on duty. It's painful to say that now, having your name turn orange due to a small 2 letter command (/su) basically gives you a ticket to begin your DM-Fest.

[Francisco Martinez]

This thing of kidnappers and robbers calling 911 should be forbidden, it's like a free ticket to a TDM event. Server administration should take a more serious look to this.

Their is no real answer to this, so basically my response is; Not really.

Answer to what?

If anyone remembers, a few months ago we had that massive Combined Operation when the LS Bank was being robbed. FBI, ASID, Air Div, SWAT, and SAPD was all there. I remember being one of the first on scene and what happened was a 911 call. Sure it may seem like TDM but it isn't always the case. It really depends on the person or group who is doing it. Now, there isn't really a way to do Kidnapping and Robbing RP if 911 calls can't be made.

There is, alarms, news, someone running over to the station saying they saw something strange on the bank, etc.

The only thing that could help, would be that certain situations should have admin approval granted before hand. Some examples are Robbing a Bank, Massive (5+ C30 Suspects) Shootouts, Bomb Threats, Kidnapping.

Sure, i'll just stop my car before shooting an officer to ask an admin if it is okey.

If there are no admins then what could be done is prohibit such actions unless a certain number of cops are on. This could be seen as against Argonath's Vision in a way as you are stopping people from starting RP and Forcing them not to start it, but if this isn't done, then we are just going to get people who will kidnap just so they can DM the only 3 cops on the server.

There is no need to restrict it to a number of cops. Why do we always have to win? If there are two cops online and 10 robbers, great! Different end of the story. The point here is what happens during it. If actual negotiations are done, if there is RP rolling inside as a group, to prove they want something else than firing a gun.

To sum it up, Large Scale Events should have admin approval granted before hand, if not a certain number of SAPD members should be online and on duty. It's painful to say that now, having your name turn orange due to a small 2 letter command (/su) basically gives you a ticket to begin your DM-Fest.

If administration begins to tight the grip, this ought to end.

[Allison]

This thing of kidnappers and robbers calling 911 should be forbidden, it's like a free ticket to a TDM event. Server administration should take a more serious look to this.

Their is no real answer to this, so basically my response is; Not really. If anyone remembers, a few months ago we had that massive Combined Operation when the LS Bank was being robbed. FBI, ASID, Air Div, SWAT, and SAPD was all there. I remember being one of the first on scene and what happened was a 911 call. Sure it may seem like TDM but it isn't always the case. It really depends on the person or group who is doing it. Now, there isn't really a way to do Kidnapping and Robbing RP if 911 calls can't be made. The only hope would be a cop passes by and sees the situation unfolding, however, these kidnappers/robbers could just do this type of RP in front of a cop.

You're incorrect, there are several ways to conduct a proper kidnapping/robbery scenario without the usage of 911. Call me old, but throughout my career I've seen it happen in various ways. For example, one way would be to contact either a roleplay relative, a friend, or someone they at least know. In turn, that person can call 911. Or, they could call a cop directly, perhaps say they have their friend. As for robberies, it can also be conducted without the use of 911. We used to have a cop use the old freecop skin, stand inside the bank as a 'guard', and then have him report it when the time came. It takes creativity and a little common sense to make these things happen.

The only thing that could help, would be that certain situations should have admin approval granted before hand. Some examples are Robbing a Bank, Massive (5+ C30 Suspects) Shootouts, Bomb Threats, Kidnapping. If there are no admins then what could be done is prohibit such actions unless a certain number of cops are on. This could be seen as against Argonath's Vision in a way as you are stopping people from starting RP and Forcing them not to start it, but if this isn't done, then we are just going to get people who will kidnap just so they can DM the only 3 cops on the server. To sum it up, Large Scale Events should have admin approval granted before hand, if not a certain number of SAPD members should be online and on duty. It's painful to say that now, having your name turn orange due to a small 2 letter command (/su) basically gives you a ticket to begin your DM-Fest.

I disagree. Yes, it is against the Argonath Vision in some ways, but that wouldn't stop it from happening. The only thing stopping it from happening is that Argonath has a way of letting people roleplay what they want, when they want, how they want. Scenarios should, and can, be done without administration getting involved. Administration should only get involved if rules are broken, not if cops think they can't handle a situation. The main thing here is we need to encourage roleplay. If it is all roleplayed, then any issues wouldn't come up. Like my previous response, these things can be done in many ways without a problem.