SA:MP - "closed" SAPD

[Matthew Carter]

So, lately, there have been alot of trolls who have no intentions other than abusing and trolling, looking "funny".
They go around, aim weaponry at unarmed civilians, shoot at suspects which aren't armed until they die, make other people's vehicle explode, ram and such.
This is simply not fun and it ruins the reputation of SAPD. They can't simply be copbanned for some reason, like "roleplay evidence", like how can trolling and abusing even be roleplay, it's more of an administrative matter.
So, why not make SAPD closed? only way to access SAPD duty is by making an application on forums. Basically, there's nothing much to change, you just don't go into the star and LSPD and go on duty, you apply on forums, command or whoever reviews your application, if person seems mature enough, he can be given basic exam which is currently given to SAPD officers, those who join the duty first time and then if they pass, they can be added to SAPD group.
That way, we'll have mature, trustful and professional SAPD officers, who really wish to be in police and who wish to play as an police officer, not as clown which has task to ruin reputation of someone and something.

I know this won't really happen, but let's give it a try, I wanna know how many people support this, maybe if enough of us are supporting this, things could change.

[Andrew Banks]

We would do it if Gandalf would allow it.

[James Moretti]

Fully supported. The amount of trolls is getting higher and higher. In RS4 with the large playerbase I supported the fact that everyone was given a chance to join the force easily but currently.. We're spending more time on chasing and arresting officers than actual suspects. This has to end now.

[Matthew Carter]

Today corleones were going around and abusing citizens.
Aiming guns at unarmed people, giving tickets for "black driving", tried to throw me in water while I was trying to tell them regulations, failed to stop to the FBI, refused to give investigation to civilian - they don't roleplay, they do it just to annoy the shit out of people.

The report system with "RP evidence" protects that kind of people who don't roleplay, because you can't report someone with roleplay evidence if the person who is to be reported doesn't roleplay.


Then some time ago, l***9*ly did the same crap, 1 week, no action was taken even with all the carjacking, ramming, DM, misuse of radio, failure to cooperate with orders of high ranks.
Like, what are we even talking about?

[James Moretti]

Already copbanned two with the help of Leon. But when there's no sergeant online, we can't do anything either.

[Allison]

As much as a lot of people would like this to happen, it won't for one reason: Argonath Vision. SAPD in the past has tried to become a more closed division, even then the entire idea was shot down.
I don't see this happening in the future at all.

[Chief J. Schappell]

No. This violates the Argonath Vision, which is why it has always been denied.

If you don't like people abusing, teach them before they do it. If you catch them do it later, try to correct them. If they refuse to listen, report them. The system worked fine for quite some time. The only reason why more issues are coming up now is because people have become lazy, and refuse to help out new players...

[James Moretti]

No. This violates the Argonath Vision, which is why it has always been denied.

If you don't like people abusing, teach them before they do it. If you catch them do it later, try to correct them. If they refuse to listen, report them. The system worked fine for quite some time. The only reason why more issues are coming up now is because people have become lazy, and refuse to help out new players...

It's the veterans that misbehave. And if we copban, they just go inactive for a week and then come back doing the exact same thing. Won't make a difference. 20 percent of the officers are currently trolling. Which is a large amount considering the fact that nearly 60 percent of the server is police most of the time.

[Matthew Carter]

Copbans aren't permanent solution. Such people won't change. They are the reason of this:
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=106787.0
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=106878.0
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=106804.0

What if the argovision became shortsighted? It needs to be corrected.
That's like creating something new in technology which is better and more organized, but keeping the older one which is broken just because you like it.

PS ARFD commissioner:


Your firemen aren't able to provide assistance in needed situations such as car accidents, fire scenes which do not involve real scripted fire which provides free money, on injured officer scene etc..
I quite often see firemen growing weed, racing at LSFD or simply being AFK

[Chief J. Schappell]

No. This violates the Argonath Vision, which is why it has always been denied.

If you don't like people abusing, teach them before they do it. If you catch them do it later, try to correct them. If they refuse to listen, report them. The system worked fine for quite some time. The only reason why more issues are coming up now is because people have become lazy, and refuse to help out new players...

It's the veterans that misbehave. And if we copban, they just go inactive for a week and then come back doing the exact same thing. Won't make a difference. 20 percent of the officers are currently trolling. Which is a large amount considering the fact that nearly 60 percent of the server is police most of the time.

If it is Veterans, then the solution is simple: Harsher punishments for those who already know the rules, but insist on breaking them anyway. Report them. Plain and simple.

What if the argovision became shortsighted? It needs to be corrected.

It cannot become shortsighted because it is not meant to change. It is what Argo was founded on. If you do not agree with it, you are welcome to create your own community elsewhere with the values you see fit. We will not hold that against you, as it is your choice...but our own Vision will never be changed just because of the opinions of a select few. If we did that, this community would be far beyond what its original intentions were, and would be just like every other one out there.

PS ARFD commissioner:


Your firemen aren't able to provide assistance in needed situations such as car accidents, fire scenes which do not involve real scripted fire which provides free money, on injured officer scene etc..
I quite often see firemen growing weed, racing at LSFD or simply being AFK

Those are not my "firemen". Those are Volunteer Firefighters. There is a place to report issues. If you fail to do that, it is not my fault. This is also not the place to discuss this, so don't try to pick fights to make your arguments work.

[Leon Arallian]

What good can come from limiting the freedom that we give to all, all due to a small number of fools who can get an appropriate punishment for their behavior?

Because there isn't any answer that can justify this proposal in my eyes.

[Matthew Carter]

all due to a small number of fools who can get an appropriate punishment for their behavior?

They don't get that appropriate punishment.
24hour copban just makes them laugh.

[James Moretti]

On top of that, the people who do have the power to do so aren't always around. I've had multiple cases in which I was able to investigate the acts but as you know, Special Agents can't do much except Observe, investigate and file a report. Which then will be there, catching dust.

[[WS]Mike]

Nice idea, we just can't do it. Limits players, which in turn, is against the vision.

[PulseEffect]

There are further powers, which the department could be using to deal with these officers; things like courts (sue 1 million?? for continuously abusing??) and Mordor (1 day sentence)

Think beyond the mind instead of trying to make the department more restricted.

[Rusty.]

I love nothing more than to see SAPD as a closed group where you had to apply via these forums, but since Argonath doesn't support such ideas it just gets shot down each time.  Against the vision?  Don't play that old card again and again vision already tarnished since alot of in-game features restricted to specific groups.  Copsbans aren't supposed to be a permanent solution it's simply a way to stop them from doing it again within a short time span, you can always report them to the staff members online as abusing commands, trolling with intentions to ruin other people's fun is all against the rules. 

I know how you feel Matthew.

[Spike]

I would like SAPD as a closed group. Just today I was trying to do a Kidnapping RP Scenario as a hostage with Padres. The guys just came to us, rammed the vehicle killed Padres and left with out RPing with me as an injured hostage. This definitely makes SAPD look bad. I would like Gandalf to read this and make SAPD a closed group. I would also like that the officers which are not in the SAPD Group could be warned by SAPD Senior Command+. I would like that there was a max amount of 5 warnings. If you got to 5 warnings you would be cop banned for a week, with more 1 warning a day would be added to the cop banned time, and then on.

[Rusty.]

You know the names of these rambo cops?

[Spike]

The only ones I have in my mind area, podbot and Miriani08021

[Chase]

Right, I agree cop ban isn't the solution for regulars. A server ban is more appropriate for regulars who choose not to be competent and troll. Unfortunately no one is willing to take the steps needed to get them out of the server.