SA:MP - "closed" SAPD

[Ryan Harrison]

Fully supported. The amount of trolls is getting higher and higher. In RS4 with the large playerbase I supported the fact that everyone was given a chance to join the force easily but currently.. We're spending more time on chasing and arresting officers than actual suspects. This has to end now.

This.

[Jake Parker]

I do admit: I now imagine an unban request for cop duty.

Interesting this idea.

Well indeed I guess we can solve a bog part of the problem with it and we can discuss about the banned player his behavior on duty it might gets more word for the SAPD command but it removes alot of work due constantly handling the same officer or am i wrong?

[Francisco Martinez]

Argonath has lost players, lots of them. Restricting police duty would make more people not interested. Player base would drop even more.

Argonath Vision... yeah right. It's called management and being smart.

I know this won't really happen, but let's give it a try, I wanna know how many people support this, maybe if enough of us are supporting this, things could change.

You must be new around here...

[Matthew Carter]

I'm here since 2011, I ain't old but I ain't new either, however who ever starts talking about joining date that's pure nonsense. If there's someone new trying to implement something new and change stuff, then he should be encouraged to do so.

[Plam Knight]

I'm here since 2011, I ain't old but I ain't new either, however who ever starts talking about joining date that's pure nonsense. If there's someone new trying to implement something new and change stuff, then he should be encouraged to do so.

I don't think he is trying to brag with the year he joined, but he rather asked you weather you are new, based on the fact you call this "idea" a "new" thing, considering SAPD used to be a closed group not long ago and as I've previously said some of you show great enthusiasum, but you've clearly not checked how exactly Argonath operates and you can make as many ideas/polls you want, some things are simply out of the control of SAPD Command and this is one of them.

[Matthew Carter]

Never said this is a new idea, I know it's been suggested before but I want to give it another try.
Better to try and suggest something than go ingame and moan how everything sucks like most of people do since RS5.

[Plam Knight]

Never said this is a new idea, I know it's been suggested before but I want to give it another try.
Better to try and suggest something than go ingame and moan how everything sucks like most of people do since RS5.

In a sense the system that was not too long ago was closed, but the actual idea of removing the lowest accessible rank and to make SAPD an internal group was indeed suggested, denied and it will probably be denied for a long time ahead. I won't say Argonath Vision cuz that sentence is far too overused, considering people rub off anything with it. But this idea was already denied multiple times for the very reason "It goes against Argonath Vision." and belive me a lot of people have tried to achieve that, including old SAPD commands that go way back in to the years and I belive even the most recent command staff have attempted that as well, sadly the only answer you get is "Argonath Vision", so there is no point to make another topic 20 pages long, just to end with the same outcome as the many before it.

And in a sense this idea would completely kill Argonath with the player base issues it has recently.

[Matthew Carter]

Alright, what about the permanent copban and copban unban requests which Leon mentioned?
or maybe just return volunteer officers who get nitestick, pepper spray and maybe desert eagle with 1 magazine, with no ability to /su?

[Francisco Martinez]

Alright, what about the permanent copban and copban unban requests which Leon mentioned?
or maybe just return volunteer officers who get nitestick, pepper spray and maybe desert eagle with 1 magazine, with no ability to /su?

Look here:

2.   Argonath gives equal rights to new, experienced and admin players. We do not discriminate between players, and having admin rights or being a long time player does not give any of our players rights to act as better, higher or having more status as another.

This is the second point of Argonath Vision. I do understand you're trying to help, but I suggest you think about things from all points of view.

Nitestick + pepper spray + desert eagle with 7 bullets + no /su = Troll. It would make people go on duty just to kill the guy that annoyed him on Pershing square.
Player base would drop, again.

We have to work with the system we currently have and shape it, a total revolution won't happen now. The idea must be done by experienced members and old command staff in order to keep Gandalf's idea alive, but also restricts SAPD a bit.

[Matthew Carter]

Good luck attempting to roleplay to ya'll while we have such people online then.

[Leon Arallian]

This board exists for a reason.

[Francisco Martinez]

You must be mature enough to RP with trolls nearby, that comes with experience trust me. If he goes against the rules just report him!

[Matthew Carter]

This board exists for a reason.

Mang can report him as he was recording with audio recorder. My pictures aren't roleplay evidence.

[[WS]Mike]

For the second time, stop with the pictures. As Leon said, there are appropriate channels to handle those scenarios in the complaints board.

[Zaila]

I know this won't really happen, but let's give it a try, I wanna know how many people support this, maybe if enough of us are supporting this, things could change.

No matter how many support this, it wont happend.

Instead of talking about SAPD become a closed group, talk about what you can do to improve SAPD.

[Jake Parker]

Well i will note it down again is it allowed to copban strict and make the unban requests for police duty?

[[WS]Mike]

Well i will note it down again is it allowed to copban strict and make the unban requests for police duty?

Not at this time

[Chief J. Schappell]

The "unban requests" for permanent copbans is a clever and interesting idea that could be useful for those who are constantly being repeat offenders...however I definitely would not recommend such a system for temporary copbans, nor for new players that keep getting into trouble. A permanent copban would be a very serious thing that should only be used for a very serious offender.

[Leon Arallian]

A permanent copban would be a very serious thing that should only be used for a very serious offender.

I've seen a few cases where this could be applied 
(Two justifiable ones at least.)

[DarkShadowBlade]

I know this won't really happen, but let's give it a try, I wanna know how many people support this, maybe if enough of us are supporting this, things could change.

No matter how many support this, it wont happend.

Instead of talking about SAPD become a closed group, talk about what you can do to improve SAPD.

I've already got an idea in the formation :3 You can't ask for a better department... But you can train for one... Once I get the proper feedback from other Academy Instructors and Cmd. I see my idea happening. The proper training for all will happen.

What we're going to close off is the amount of trolls we have in SAPD. We're going to close off the lack of knowledge SAPD has and form a much better, much more knowledgeable department.

Also concerning the fact about people in SAPD messing up. They get dealt with eventually. While it's not pretty to watch them give us a bad name I think we can actually help out the department by just handing the knowledge to the uneducated. Some of the "trolls" don't mean to troll. They're just not educated well. I'm pretty sure I would've been kicked out of SAPD if I wasn't taught well. When I started in RS4, I was learning fast but had problems adapting to Argonath. Eventually people helped me (Thanks to the RS4 Community) and I learned. While closing off the SAPD may sound like a good idea, I think we'll just end up kicking out the people that don't mean it and want to try to learn; Some people need to be closed off but not all...