Division Ranks & Design Projects

[PulseEffect]

Well, it's just an idea but shouldn't FBI have at least a rank for internal affairs or such ?

Ranks like Deputy Director, Associate Director, Chief of Staff etc. were dropped due to being surplus to requirements - and we ran the risk of having more ranks than people.

I don't mean all those ranks but maybe change one rank or add an extra rank that would be specialised in fight corruption not only on the FBI but in VCPD in general

The FBI already does corruption inquiries into VCPD or other government departments if an issue is raised by anyone. Furthermore, we have VCPD Command who can do exactly the same due to our unique structure. We don't really need the extra rank at this time.

VCPD has been recently been trying to cut the amount of regulations in terms of procedures (i.e codes) and ranks and cull back non useful/outdated things.

[Gruia]

Pretty much what others said, SWAT Associate rank is no longer needed in SWAT's structure. Other than that, the new logos look cool.

[Bass]

I strongly disagree with having more than 3 SWAT ranks as we're not that active, plus that we have to fill them and I would love to keep VCPD's essence..

Also I think that we should change Team Leader into Lieutenant as it sounds better, so that ranks could be as following:

SWAT Commander
SWAT Lieutenant
SWAT Operative

[PulseEffect]

I strongly disagree with having more than 3 SWAT ranks as we're not that active, plus that we have to fill them and I would love to keep VCPD's essence..

Agreed, 3 is enough.

[Marco]

Before bashing our heads over how many number of ranks we are going to have and what they'll be called at the same time, we should think first what it means to have a ranked structure: Ranks are created in order to divide members inside an organization, giving specific tasks and obligations to a certain class of members, as well some/full power over their subordinates, taking into consideration how many people are in the division and what will be each rank's relation to other structures, such as the relation between SWAT Leadership and VCPD Officers.

The most basic of structures would be a rank for SWAT Command (such as SWAT Comissioner/Team leader/Chief/Director/BigBoss/et cetera) and another for SWAT members (Operative/Member/Associate/Bla-bla-bla). From there you can further develop it to match the division's needs, such as having a rank for operatives in training or a vice-commander to take charge of things should the chief go away or won't be present for a period of time.

Let's decide how many ranks we actually need for the current manpower we have, and assign them their duties. If the need arises for a new rank, just create one alongside a promotion. Then we can decide what each rank will be called.


P.S.: As of the replies posted while I was writing this, seems agreement is going for 3 ranks. Discuss it further until everyone agrees =D
P.P.S.: Oh yeah, there's also the decals/graphics part. Lets juuuuust decide what stuff will be called first :d

[Call_me_Dad]

I agree that the optimum number of ranks is 3.

Though, as mentioned by Legend, it would be better that all departments have similar promotional ladder. That is, same number of ranks.

FBI currently has 4 ranks. How about we remove one of them?
Currently we have 3 FBI members and 4 ranks.

If the need arises for a new rank, just create one alongside a promotion. Then we can decide what each rank will be called.

That is not really an option. The ranks are scripted ingame, so frequent changes is not a good idea.
It needs to be decided once and now is a good time since it is yet to be scripted.


The logo can be made better. We have tons of designers in the community who would be happy to contribute.
Is it feasible to create a logo creation contest? Or maybe someone can do it for something in exchange.

[~Legend~]

Looks like 3 will be our number.

SWAT Commander
SWAT Lieutenant
SWAT Operative

This is quite good.

Lieutenant shows seniority, but the title is not so big as Colonel, Major, Captain etc. to suggest that they are the ultimate leader/only leader.
What does everyone think?

Though, as mentioned by Legend, it would be better that all departments have similar promotional ladder. That is, same number of ranks.

Perhaps it works quite well with 3 for SWAT and 4 for FBI, as all SWAT personnel also have their VCPD rank still, unlike with FBI agents?

If the need arises for a new rank, just create one alongside a promotion. Then we can decide what each rank will be called.

That is not really an option. The ranks are scripted ingame, so frequent changes is not a good idea.

We were discussing a new system that would give a lot more flexibility and avoid the need to script multiple different ranks.

1) Aesthetic Rank: This is the visual rank, things that people in the server can see.
Example: Leader, Chief, Trainee and so on...

These would merely be rank names which would not be preset. So, these ranks themselves would not be scripted. However, players would be able to use /c setrank id to give someone a rank called anything of their choice, meaning that whatever typed after /c setrank id would be the displayed rank.
So it could be anything from FDVC Firefighter to FBI God to Judge Fudge to Janitor etc. etc.

The purpose of this is to give flexibility. Rank names often change with time and some may never be used. So, giving players the option to set the rank names themselves would be most useful as it's then up to them to manage and update as their clans/groups/organisations change.

2) Permissions Rank: This would be something that directly gives scripted access to someone.
For example: Access to use SWAT skins, access to set ranks and so on.

A select few in each group would also require a permissions rank so that they can manage their rankings and give aesthetic ranks to themselves and others.
In the VCPD, these would include VCPD Captain, Deputy Chief, Chief, FBI Director, SWAT Commander and Academy Leader/Staff.
Also, the SWAT and FBI themselves would have permissions to use their skins.

These would be the only predefined ranks, while all else can be changed and modified as wished.

[Call_me_Dad]

Looks like 3 will be our number.

SWAT Commander
SWAT Lieutenant
SWAT Operative

This is quite good.

:thumbsup:

1) Aesthetic Rank: This is the visual rank, things that people in the server can see.
Example: Leader, Chief, Trainee and so on...

These would merely be rank names which would not be preset. So, these ranks themselves would not be scripted. However, players would be able to use /c setrank id to give someone a rank called anything of their choice, meaning that whatever typed after /c setrank id would be the displayed rank.
So it could be anything from FDVC Firefighter to FBI God to Judge Fudge to Janitor etc. etc.

The purpose of this is to give flexibility. Rank names often change with time and some may never be used. So, giving players the option to set the rank names themselves would be most useful as it's then up to them to manage and update as their clans/groups/organisations change.

2) Permissions Rank: This would be something that directly gives scripted access to someone.
For example: Access to use SWAT skins, access to set ranks and so on.

A select few in each group would also require a permissions rank so that they can manage their rankings and give aesthetic ranks to themselves and others.
In the VCPD, these would include VCPD Captain, Deputy Chief, Chief, FBI Director, SWAT Commander and Academy Leader/Staff.
Also, the SWAT and FBI themselves would have permissions to use their skins.

These would be the only predefined ranks, while all else can be changed and modified as wished.

This looks good. I recommend you post the Aesthetic Rank idea on public Ideas board, since it would also involve non-VCPD.


Any plans for the new logo?

[~Legend~]

OK before we finalise the following rank scheme for SWAT, any other opinions?


SWAT Commander


SWAT Lieutenant (note: 5 stars)


SWAT Operative