Author Topic: Something to consider... (Read 4459 times)

Deuce · « **on:** January 19, 2009, 18:43:26 pm »

The following rules have been pissing me off heavily lately:

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Being in a RP criminal organization, sergeant+ are not allowed to be in gangs/mafias

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You are not allowed to commit major crimes (Kidnapping, Bank Robbing, etc.) as a sergeant+

My question is: Why? If the person has the ability to role play and actually tell the difference from one character to another, I don't see the problem! Also, why make it only to Sergeants and above? Why not enforce these rules for cadets and above? They're cops, so why not? I know that this topic has been discussed numerous times, but I never saw a clear explanation to explain it.

FlameMan · « **Reply #1 on:** January 19, 2009, 18:46:48 pm »

Because sergeant is full time cop... definition:

Quote from: SAPD Command Staff on January 19, 2009, 18:43:26 pm

SAPD Sergeant: They are the 24/7 cops.. they spend most time with duty, and the ARPD leaders can always
count to them when theres a bigger operation. When they are on off duty, they can get a call to go on duty right now. The sergeants proved their skills, and showed they want to work to SAPD (only).

sergeant works: SWAT, Cadet trainer, Dispatcher, Patroler

[Sergeant and above, not allowed to be part of any Mafia/Gang]

You can be called to kidnapping, even if you are off duty... what if you are committing this kidnapping?
Sergeant is high ranked, so he is supposed to lead officers, seniors and cadets on a field while big operations..

I hope you understand my point... thats how i see it...

lance · « **Reply #2 on:** January 19, 2009, 19:10:39 pm »

Quote from: FlameMan on January 19, 2009, 18:46:48 pm

Because sergeant is full time cop... definition:

Quote from: SAPD Command Staff on January 19, 2009, 18:43:26 pm
SAPD Sergeant: They are the 24/7 cops.. they spend most time with duty, and the ARPD leaders can always
count to them when theres a bigger operation. When they are on off duty, they can get a call to go on duty right now. The sergeants proved their skills, and showed they want to work to SAPD (only).

sergeant works: SWAT, Cadet trainer, Dispatcher, Patroler

[Sergeant and above, not allowed to be part of any Mafia/Gang]

i fully agree with this one. SAPD sergeant isn't a cadet or a cop, but i see it personally as a serious job, kidnapping etc etc, even if you can separate your characters isn't the best option.

Carhartt# · « **Reply #3 on:** January 19, 2009, 21:13:56 pm »

I can understand your point, Cane.

I was able to go through this process on my own. When I was roleplay within the SAPD I became bored, because it was always the same.
I understood that I made a mistake & that I don't belong into the police force.

If you ask me, you shouldn't be allowed to have any criminal records if you're trying to roleplay your way into the SAPD.
This is the way how it works on another server I play on and the officers are far better roleplayers than on Argonath.
Of course there are exceptions, but if you are an Officer, you should concentrate on that duty constantly, if you want to join the criminal side, create another character.

Bianconeri · « **Reply #4 on:** January 19, 2009, 23:27:41 pm »

im almost cop 24/7, but i think it should be possible to do something bad once a month maybe,
in my whole carreer i maybe comitted 2 kidnappings,
and maybe only 5 times suspect outside kidnappings,
so cant ppl like me take a day off, and do some other RP then the daily cop work?

so big crimes? yes, on a rare base though

Chief J. Schappell · « **Reply #5 on:** January 20, 2009, 01:42:31 am »

For RP sake, in my opinion, I think that these highly-ranked officers should have the ability to commit certain crimes on a very limited basis through another character, but they should be logged and done with permission from a superior. I don't personally do ANY crimes because I'm so dedicated to the force, but these other people should have the chance to be on the other side once in a while. It will let out their aggression towards their normal chasing of suspects, and it will train them to know what criminals know so they perform even better as an officer. I suggest setting up a system where they can "log into" another character maybe once a month or every few months max so they can experience this. I also suggest that if that be done, only certain crimes be allowed to be committed, and only be allowed to be suspected for a certain amount of time.

On another note, no, I don't support criminals at all, but I do support people's abilities to have the freedoms to choose. Real life cops have vacation days, so why not let these cops have their own vacation days in which they can roleplay as a different character?

Remember, my ideas are just IDEAS, and in that I am only suggesting them to create a balance between the sides through a compromise.

Thomas_Crof · « **Reply #6 on:** January 20, 2009, 11:56:21 am »

Lol, while reading this, I remembered a case in America [IRL] where the Dpt Chief of a department had killed 5 guys xD

Well... I think Sergeants+ should have the possibilty to commit a crime once a month

Wolfe · « **Reply #7 on:** January 20, 2009, 19:40:29 pm »

I think, they can comit minor crimes as they wish...like evading and things..

Chief J. Schappell · « **Reply #8 on:** January 20, 2009, 20:29:29 pm »

They aren't allowed to do even that much. ARPD law currently states no crimes whatsoever.

Bianconeri · « **Reply #9 on:** January 20, 2009, 22:42:18 pm »

Quote from: SugarD on January 20, 2009, 20:29:29 pm

They aren't allowed to do even that much. ARPD law currently states no crimes what-so-ever.

thats exactly why this topic is there,
and looks likes most ppl agree with the fact that you can commit crimes,
not depending the rank, except Sergeant+ no big things much tops of 2 a month

so im against that Sergeant+ can commit crimes often, with those ranks you should be cop most of the time,
but i am for that sergeant+ can commit big crimes on rare base

we are allowed to do crimes, see Ghost:suspect often, and today Pancher as deputy chief

Ed_Lane · « **Reply #10 on:** January 21, 2009, 05:25:06 am »

*sigh

ghost evades all the time for long period's of time (4 hours+)

and i don't mix my my mafia and cop work together if 1 of my barzini member's commit a crime i treat them all the same just like i would a criminal that is not in my mafia

ARPD Cadet
Silver_Barzini

Lionz · « **Reply #11 on:** January 21, 2009, 05:27:03 am »

You are allowed to commit crimes, but cannot be apart of a criminal enterprise like a Mafia or a street gang.

If you think that is harsh, the FBI aren't even allowed to commit any crimes.

Chief J. Schappell · « **Reply #12 on:** January 21, 2009, 06:43:18 am »

No. According to ARPD rules and laws, they aren't allow to commit any crimes whatsoever.

Bianconeri · « **Reply #13 on:** January 21, 2009, 11:10:59 am »

Quote from: SugarD on January 21, 2009, 06:43:18 am

No. According to ARPD rules and laws, they aren't allow to commit any crimes whatsoever.

then what about Ghost who is suspect maybe daily,
and yesterday pancher and perhaps some more, including myself
small crimes are allowed

@lionz:
its logic you cant be in mafia, nobody complaints against that

Lionz · « **Reply #14 on:** January 21, 2009, 12:42:41 pm »

I was not complaining about the Mafia anyway Bianconeri.

I am 100% sure that all the San Andreas Metropolitan Police Department can commit crimes but not be associated with gangs/mobs. Simple crimes, but nothing majorly planned.

Chief J. Schappell · « **Reply #15 on:** January 21, 2009, 17:39:23 pm »

Quote from: Bianconeri on January 21, 2009, 11:10:59 am

Quote from: SugarD on January 21, 2009, 06:43:18 am
No. According to ARPD rules and laws, they aren't allow to commit any crimes whatsoever.

then what about Ghost who is suspect maybe daily,
and yesterday pancher and perhaps some more, including myself
small crimes are allowed

@lionz:
its logic you cant be in mafia, nobody complaints against that

Then the current rules need to be adjusted because they say no crimes at all.

Wolfe · « **Reply #16 on:** January 21, 2009, 19:44:07 pm »

sugar, they do not say dont comit no crimes, Seargent+ cant comit major crimes like : Kidnaping, robbery, etc...but they can be suspects for evading and minor crimes..the rules and laws allow em to comit minor crimes..

[Rstar]Vince · « **Reply #17 on:** January 21, 2009, 22:15:05 pm »

Quote from: SugarD on January 21, 2009, 06:43:18 am

No. According to ARPD rules and laws, they aren't allow to commit any crimes whatsoever.

Correct no on duty or off duty police officer may commit a crime. IF however you are roleplaying a different person other than your police officer character you are allowed to commit crimes. As for Sergeants+, they cannot be a part of any kind of police stated criminal organization. If you are a Sergeant plus you are expected to not want to be in a criminal organization... That's what the rank is for.
As for the topic in general in my honest opinion as said before if you have made your way to Sergeant in the San Andreas Police Department you shouldn't even want to consider being in a mafia as being a Sergeant and/or plus requires 24/7 police activity and expects you to be able to be called up for any type of situation. Whether it be a riot or a kidnapping, that's why you are a Sergeant.

Matthew · « **Reply #18 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:41:42 am »

Well Cane is in Z so......does that mean he has to leave Z?.......or what, im not getting that part.

Deuce · « **Reply #19 on:** January 22, 2009, 02:10:00 am »

Quote from: Matthew on January 22, 2009, 01:41:42 am

Well Cane is in Z so......does that mean he has to leave Z?.......or what, im not getting that part.

No, apparently I can stay.

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Author Topic: Something to consider... (Read 4459 times)

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