Challenge To The 10-51 Police Code

[Chief J. Schappell]

Hello everyone. I'm currently putting up a challenge to the 10-51 code because it is not clear on what it's actually for. Not only is it worded incorrectly to only include men in the code, but it also discludes DUI. We also do not have a code for DWI. In my request, I'm asking that the 10-51 "Man Drunk" code be changed to "Drunk In Public", and that an additional code be added for Driving Under The Influence Of Alcohol/Driving While Intoxicated. These are official names for codes and thus should be corrected. Regardless of wording, "Man Drunk" does not describe a DUI/DWI, and you can't really say you have a rolling 10-51. I'm also asking for the public's opinion on this, as it directly affects them as well. Any other missing codes you think should be added, please reply to this topic with them listed in a professional manner. DO NOT spam this topic or go off-topic in this. It is a serious topic and I don't want it to be locked or trashed due to people screwing around.

Differences between DUI and DWI:
http://www.diffen.com/difference/Dui_vs_Dwi

Note, our current ten code police system is based on a basic universal system, and some of our other codes are based off the Los Angeles Police Department code system.

I have searched this site and although there is no actual universal system for ten codes, this is the closest I could find to our own current one:
http://www.einvestigator.com/links/police_ten_codes.htm

And the Los Angeles Police Department code system is listed here:
http://www.badge714.com/LAPDcodes.htm

I would also like to note that although some police units in Argonath use it, police ten code 10-10 is not listed. It is used for out of service units that have their radio on for "on-call" assignments. This should be listed as "Out of service (On call)". This code differs from 10-7 in that 10-7 is just an out of service code, whereas 10-10 an officer leaves their radio on in the event that they are called on-duty while currently off-duty or on break.
Code 100 is also missing, which is used for when a unit is ready to attack, if needed. This code is mainly used for raids and backup situations, but should be listed as "In Position To Intercept".

[FlameMan]

About new codes, there are some changes under discussion, we are all waiting for RS4 script, as there will be new possibilities to crime RP.. so probably with RS4, new codes will come

And yes - Negative code is included.

[Chief J. Schappell]

Well what I'm mentioning also affects RS3 and the current code system for Vice City, Florida.

I was told over the police radio yesterday that my use of calling a code 3 on an evading DUI suspect was incorrect, and that I MUST use 10-51, but 10-51 doesn't describe anything near what I was calling the code 3 on. It's absolutely ridiculous, and the Vice, City, Florida VCPD should not have to suffer until RS4 is released either.
And now that is been brought to my attention, what are Vice, City, Florida VCPD users supposed to do? They aren't getting an update and forcing them to wait on RS4 for THEIR updated codes is just plain stupid and unfair. There goes the unity of ARPD. Come on now! Fix this!

[FlameMan]

In situation you described, of course you were allowed to call code 3.... Code 10-51 is situation code, code 3 is requesting to procees with sirens to situation...

[Chief J. Schappell]

It's not calling it AS a code 3 that was the issue in question, though. It's the fact that I was corrected stating that a DUI is a 10-51 when it is NOT.

[FlameMan]

I will state it clearly one more time...
If suspect is driving under influence, you are ALLOWED to call code 3. Also, if you aren't sure is he under influence of drugs or alcohole, you can call it as 10-50, 10-51 code possible, unless you are sure.. If you do not have information about it, you shouldn't call 10-51/10-50 code.

It will also be discussed with ARPD Leaders about, as these codes aren't clearly stated...

[Frederick]

Ok, I truely agree with your opinions listed and described, and I myself believe we need to include quite a bit more codes to our official list.  Some are not as important, others may be useful.

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Fueling Vehicle

Code:  10-45
Description:  We all need to refuel our vehicles now and then, and we all know that the gas stations, most specifically 'GS9' almost always has someone taking fuel.  Alot of times we see officers refuelling their vehicles to continue patrol, to head back on a pursuit, or to respond to some other call.  This code might be useful to let other officers know you are currently out of service for a while to refuel your vehicle.

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Escort

Code:  10-59
Description:  I am sure many of us have done escorts before, wether it be for a normal citizen, or as required by an 'ARPD' higher ranked officer.  This code can be handy to report that you are currently commencing or performing an escort, and a brief description about it may follow.

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Accident/Disabled

Code:  10-50
Description:  This code I believe we can really use.  However, due to the use of "10-50" for another meaning, it can be changed to something else, as the higher ranked authority will decide.  We all have had our PD vehicle in a high speed pursuit be disabled at least once throughout our career.  We currently do not have any code as far as I know to report such an incident.  This code originally signifies "Accident," however, can be modified to mean "Accident/Currently Disabled."  Therefore, this code may be used to report a traffic accident, or that your vehicle has been disabled during the pursuit, and that you are currently breaking off.

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These are just a few of the codes I believe we should include to our list.  If I were the head of 'ARPD' I would have included every single code I could, for much better, and easier communication over the radio.

Also, back to your original point, I must say, I have to agree with this.  I think the 'Man Drunk' code should remain, and an additional code for 'DUI' and 'DWI' should be implemented.  I always thought the "10-51" code was rather weird, but never actually examined it in detail.  Thanks for bringing this discussion up.

[Chief J. Schappell]

I will state it clearly one more time...
If suspect is driving under influence, you are ALLOWED to call code 3. Also, if you aren't sure is he under influence of drugs or alcohole, you can call it as 10-50, 10-51 code possible, unless you are sure.. If you do not have information about it, you shouldn't call 10-51/10-50 code.

It will also be discussed with ARPD Leaders about, as these codes aren't clearly stated...

Thank you Flameman, but that's still not what I'm saying. The code 3 was not the issue. It was the call itself that was in question. When I called in a DUI, I was told to use 10-51. This code is not used for DUI situations, only Drunk In Public situations. As for 10-50, that still only applies to non-drivers. We need actual codes for the rolling situations so we don't have to be unethical and call a rolling 10-50 or 10-51, because you just don't do that. As for discussing it with the ARPD leaders, thank you. Alot of stuff about the codes has come up lately and I don't want to see suspects passing through loopholes or cops confusing each other due to unclear police codes.

[Ryan_August]

What SugarD is trying to get accross is the suspecting of the drunk driver, "DUI" or "DWI".

Countless suspects have been cancelled due to the missunderstanding of DUI, DWI. It takes quite some time to type /su [id] driving under the influence of alcohol or /su [id] driving while intoxicated. Shorting it to /su [id] DUI/DWI makes it quicker to chase the suspect.


And just an idea of a /c3 command which posts over the radio Code 3 [Location]  ((just putting that there for an idea))

[JaMeS Alterlis]

Nice!

Thx for sharing, SugarD! 

I will learn new codes now, actually, it's not new...
but will change to try to use more codes

 

[Altair_Carter]

Nice!

Thx for sharing, SugarD! 

I will learn new codes now, actually, it's not new...
but will change to try to use more codes

 

Sadly though,but we cannot use ANY of unlisted codes in the official ARPD Codes list....

[Ryan_August]

Sadly though,but we cannot use ANY of unlisted codes in the official ARPD Codes list....

Just above you see we are not allowed to use unofficial codes that have not been passed by Hank. Also I have been warned not to use unofficial codes in my time.

I hope this helps you understand that we cannot.

Signed

        Josh Page

[Chief J. Schappell]

Josh: 1. He doesn't make the rules. 2. Read what I said above in my first post.

...please reply to this topic...in a professional manner. DO NOT spam this topic or go off-topic in this. It is a serious topic...

3. Delete your post or edit it NOW. Comeback remarks will not be tolerated here.

As for unofficial codes, there is no rule currently that I can find stating you can or can't use them, so it's an at your own risk situation. Keep in mind this is RPG, so using them to enhance your game shouldn't be a problem as long as you don't go around saying they are official yet. I would also like to get Flameman, Hank Rafferty, AND CBFasi's opinions first before anyone makes that call. Don't reply to this topic arguing about the use of unofficial codes unless you are one of the three people, or are authorized to do so.

Back to the topic at hand:

Anyone else have any suggestions for codes we don't have yet? I know it was said above that RS4 may contain some updates to the code system, but I still recommend adding in some just in case they aren't listed in the future. This will give the ARPD leaders time to update things in the event they decide to add them, and if not, atleast they are there for future discussions.

[JaMeS Alterlis]

I know but I want ARPD to use these codes

It's more realistic and increase RP

but, I don't understand all of the codes
It's just California's Scanner Codes or what

cause it's have 10-10 for out of service but it's have 10-7 for out of service too???

I'm really confuse

btw, I support to adds/update these codes to ARPD

 

[Chief J. Schappell]

10-10 is an on-call, out of service code meaning the officer stays in uniform but does respond to any calls unless requested over the radio specifically, or in the event of an "ALL UNITS" call. It's the same thing as an officer going home for a lunch or dinner break, but staying in uniform to go 10-8 when finished. If the officer is eating lunch or dinner during their break and they are immediately requested code 3, for example, then they would go 10-8 and be on-duty from that point on to respond to the call.

[FlameMan]

Oh i see i got your point now.
On public police radio, use ONLY official ARPD / SAPD codes.
Why? Because using any other codes which aren't understood by other officers, miss the point...

But meaning of DUI is pretty obvious, and its not a code...

As i said, there will be few codes updates soon, so dont worry.

[Chief J. Schappell]

Alright. Thank you Flameman.
As for the DUI call, thank you for clearing that up. One of your senior officers owes me an apology!

[Altair_Carter]

Alright. Thank you Flameman.
As for the DUI call, thank you for clearing that up. One of your senior officers owes me an apology!

If its about me,then:

Nice!

Thx for sharing, SugarD! 

I will learn new codes now, actually, it's not new...
but will change to try to use more codes

 

Sadly though,but we cannot use ANY of unlisted codes in the official ARPD Codes list....

But meaning of DUI is pretty obvious, and its not a code...

YOU owe me an apology in this case 

[Chief J. Schappell]

1. It's not about you.
2. That's not what I'm referring to.
3. How do I owe you an apology lol?
4. Read up. He said there will be code changes soon, meaning there may be a future DUI code listed. I was told DUI was 10-51 when it is not, and a senior officer yelled at me over the radio for it. Whether the meaning of DUI is obvious or not, I was still in the right.

[FlameMan]

Who was that Senior Officer if i may ask?