Reporting SAPD Sargeant Jimmy Hawkins

[Kyle McDane]

So this happened today, the said sargeant took  an action out of his guts or maybe just pure desperation.

I'd like to formally report him here on the basis of said actions, as I do not feel that the copban was right in any way just because I did not wish to change my callsign to "ADAM" without a proper reason, and such things should not be enforced on ARPD officers as such things limit the ability to roleplay. (only ADAM? Seriously? Who is this adam anyway?)



[17:29:30] [Radio] SAPD Recruit [WS]KyleSforza(15) STARBOY: reporting 10-8, from Idlewood Pizza stack, finishing lunch
[17:29:38] [Radio] SAPD Sergeant Jimmy_Hawkins(26): Change your callsign
[17:31:04] [Radio] SAPD Recruit [WS]KyleSforza(15) STARBOY: Available for backup calls around the state of San Andreas
[17:31:13] [Radio] SAPD Sergeant Jimmy_Hawkins(26): I repeat, change your callsign
[17:31:23] You have set your callsign to STARBOY-14801
[17:31:28] [Radio] SAPD Recruit [WS]KyleSforza(15) STARBOY-14801: Callsign updated
[17:31:33] [Radio] SAPD Sergeant Jimmy_Hawkins(26): To ADAM
[17:31:45] [Radio] SAPD Recruit [WS]KyleSforza(15) STARBOY-14801: Who's Adam?
[17:31:52] [Radio] SAPD Sergeant Jimmy_Hawkins(26): Your callsign will be ADAM
[17:31:54] [Radio] SAPD Recruit [WS]KyleSforza(15) STARBOY-14801: My name is not Adam, Sergeant
[17:32:23] [Radio] SAPD Sergeant Jimmy_Hawkins(26): Your name isn't either STARBOY
[17:32:34] [Radio] SAPD Recruit [WS]KyleSforza(15) STARBOY-14801: But my name isn't ADAM either, Sarg.
[17:32:44] [Radio] SAPD Recruit [WS]KyleSforza(15) STARBOY-14801: Starboy is my nickname, Sarg.
[17:32:45] [Radio] SAPD Sergeant Jimmy_Hawkins(26): It doesn't matter, ADAM is the callsign you will use.
[17:33:08] [Radio] SAPD Recruit [WS]KyleSforza(15) STARBOY-14801: Why are you being so dominant *gasps*
[17:33:34] [Radio] SAPD Recruit Derek_Carter(23): U15, change your callsign from 'STARBOY-14801' to '15-ADAM', immediately.
[17:33:44] You have set your callsign to Star
[17:33:56] [Radio] SAPD Recruit [WS]KyleSforza(15) Star: callsign updated
[17:34:08] You have set your callsign to STAR
[17:34:08] [Radio] SAPD Sergeant Jimmy_Hawkins(26): Consider this your last warning, change your callsign to ADAM
[17:34:57] [Radio] SAPD Lieutenant [Rstar]John(11): Are you on tha trollmode?
[17:35:11] [Radio] SAPD Recruit [WS]KyleSforza(15) STAR: No sir, with all due respect I do not wish to troll, I'm under all seriousness
[17:35:22] [Radio] SAPD Recruit [WS]KyleSforza(15) STAR: If you'd just stop telling me to change to Adam, since that's not my name
[17:35:40] You have been banned from police duty. Reason: Failure to comply with Command Staff order's / breach of regulations

[17:35:40] You are banned until: 28th of December 2016 at 6:05 PM


As it can be seen from the chatlogs that I completely ignored the man at first, trying to prevent such circumstances, but he was hell bent on proving who's "the boss" without a proper reason.

I'd like to request for my copban to be reverted and the said officer be penalized for his desperate actions. As a copban over not changing your call sign without a proper logic provided only shows the need of the man to prove himself "superior" to other officers, which is not professional at all.

Many officers witnessed the scene and they also agreed that the said Sarg. over-reacted.

Also I'd like to request a Captain+ to respond here on this matter.

Thanking you,
Kyle McDane

[W. Harrelson]

I see that you've deleted some of the chat logs. Well done, you're a real man.


CHATLOGS:

[13:59:32] [Radio] SAPD Recruit [WS]KyleSforza(15) STARBOY: reporting 10-8, from Idlewood Pizza stack, finishing lunch

[13:59:40] [Radio] SAPD Sergeant Jimmy_Hawkins(26): Change your callsign

[14:01:06] [Radio] SAPD Recruit [WS]KyleSforza(15) STARBOY: Available for backup calls around the state of San Andreas

[14:01:14] [Radio] SAPD Sergeant Jimmy_Hawkins(26): I repeat, change your callsign

[14:01:29] [Radio] SAPD Recruit [WS]KyleSforza(15) STARBOY-14801: Callsign updated

[14:01:34] [Radio] SAPD Sergeant Jimmy_Hawkins(26): To ADAM

[14:01:47] [Radio] SAPD Recruit [WS]KyleSforza(15) STARBOY-14801: Who's Adam?

[14:01:54] [Radio] SAPD Sergeant Jimmy_Hawkins(26): Your callsign will be ADAM

[14:01:55] [Radio] SAPD Recruit [WS]KyleSforza(15) STARBOY-14801: My name is not Adam, Sergeant

[14:02:25] [Radio] SAPD Sergeant Jimmy_Hawkins(26): Your name isn't either STARBOY

[14:02:36] [Radio] SAPD Recruit [WS]KyleSforza(15) STARBOY-14801: But my name isn't ADAM either, Sarg.

[14:02:46] [Radio] SAPD Recruit [WS]KyleSforza(15) STARBOY-14801: Starboy is my nickname, Sarg.

[14:02:47] [Radio] SAPD Recruit Blake_Carter(43) 49-ADAM-43A54: U15 please follow the rules.

[14:02:47] [Radio] SAPD Sergeant Jimmy_Hawkins(26): It doesn't matter, ADAM is the callsign you will use.

[14:03:09] [Radio] SAPD Recruit [WS]KyleSforza(15) STARBOY-14801: Why are you being so dominant *gasps*

[14:03:36] [Radio] SAPD Recruit Derek_Carter(23): U15, change your callsign from 'STARBOY-14801' to '15-ADAM', immediately.

[14:03:58] [Radio] SAPD Recruit [WS]KyleSforza(15) Star: callsign updated

[14:04:10] [Radio] SAPD Sergeant Jimmy_Hawkins(26): Consider this your last warning, change your callsign to ADAM

[14:04:43] [Radio] SAPD Recruit [WS]KyleSforza(15) STAR: *turns up the radio volume "I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME PLAYING" and sticks radio

[14:04:43] to that*

[14:04:59] [Radio] SAPD Lieutenant [Rstar]John(11): Are you on tha trollmode?

[14:05:13] [Radio] SAPD Recruit [WS]KyleSforza(15) STAR: No sir, with all due respect I do not wish to troll, I'm under all seriousness

[14:05:24] [Radio] SAPD Recruit [WS]KyleSforza(15) STAR: If you'd just stop telling me to change to Adam, since that's not my name

[14:05:43] [Radio] SAPD Lieutenant [Rstar]John(11): Callsigns are set NOT by your own name.

[14:05:54] [Radio] SAPD Lieutenant [Rstar]John(11): it's a procedure.











You've been warned multiple times, not only by me, to change your callsign, and you still refused. Next time you get on duty, I suggest you read the whole regulations document and stick to it.
I also wonder, what were you doing in an Infernus while on duty? Oh wait, maybe I should also add that to your copban.

[Kyle McDane]

As your own chatlogs prove, the explanation was provided AFTER you desperately copbanned me, while I was waiting for an answer.

I never had any intentions to troll neither did I troll. I only asked for a proper reason to change the name instead of "I'm boss so you must do it".

And add Infernus to it? What's next, while at it would you like to add that I did 10-7 and 10-8 from a pizza store instead of PD too? Since I actually roleplayed taking a lunch stop?
Please get rid of your "big bully" attitude already.

Also I've read the procedure and documents, probably long before you mate. You see I'm not new to this cop thingy unlike yourself. Used to be a senior officer back in '12 and an academy Instructor.

Anyway, your time was up when I had asked you to make a decision to fix your actions. I look forward to speaking with a captain+ now on the "obstruction of roleplay" part by forcing ARPD officers to use pre-designated call signs and also sorting this matter of unjustified copban from your side.

[W. Harrelson]

Since you knew and you know the procedures, you did not and you don't need an explanation.

[Kyle McDane]

I'd like you to provide a proof that I trolled on duty, anywhere.
If declining to roleplay as a designated "nametag" without a proper reason is trolling to you, we all can see how much you lack creative imagination.

Sadly, you cannot make up for what you lack in creative imagination by abusing the commands given to you mate, and like I said in game, I feel sorry for you over that.

Keep attempting to justify yourself when you know the copban was uneccessary and a script abuse.

[Derek.]

As a witness of the whole situation, I believe I can clarfiy something about this case. This is not the first time you've used the 'STARBOY' callsign, Kyle, and yes, you have been warned multiple times to remove it. I saw you being warned two times only yesterday. What Mark did, was a last resort, the copban, as you seemed very convinced on yourself that you can use the 'STARBOY' callsign. It is a breach of regulations if you do not listen to a Sergeant, he could have issued the copban only for 'Failure to comply with CMD STAFF', and it would have been valid. Also, after few minutes, you started calling him anonymously and threatened him with this report, another reason why this report should be closed.

Signed,
Derek Carter

[Kyle McDane]

As a witness of the whole situation, I believe I can clarfiy something about this case. This is not the first time you've used the 'STARBOY' callsign, Kyle, and yes, you have been warned multiple times to remove it. I saw you being warned two times only yesterday. What Mark did, was a last resort, the copban, as you seemed very convinced on yourself that you can use the 'STARBOY' callsign. It is a breach of regulations if you do not listen to a Sergeant, he could have issued the copban only for 'Failure to comply with CMD STAFF', and it would have been valid. Also, after few minutes, you started calling him anonymously and threatened him with this report, another reason why this report should be closed.

Signed,
Derek Carter

Mate, you yourself /pm'd me today when I was asked earlier to change it, that "chill u dont have to", and that was this morning.

So what exactly are you trying to say here?

Please tell me why is it wrong to use "STARBOY" or "STAR" or "TOM" "DICK" or "HARRY" as call sign, I'm not breaking any rules by using "FBI", "SAPD" "CMD" "SGT" or any troll mode ones like "CANDY" "TRUMP" "CLINTON" "HARAMBE" etc etc, please tell me what's wrong with "STARBOY" when I'm performing my duties rightfully and according to the SAPD procedures?

Also are you trying to say if the Sergeant asks me to wipe the floor, or give him 10k I must obey otherwise its "Failure to comply with CMD STAFF"?

Anywho, I never declined to follow his orders, I only asked for a legit reason to do so instead of "Ooh I'm a new sergeant in here and you must listen to me or I will use my newly discovered tools on you".

Yes, I saw he was promoted only yesterday, so I can understand that he was in dire need to prove his authority in the situation. But this could have gone alot easier.
I did call him to let him know, to give him a chance to fix this through a discussion, otherwise I would be filling a formal report. Which I did, standing by my word.
And I called him anonymously because he did not pick up my call when I called him non-anon first.

He could have been more rational, as I did constantly update my callsign during the conversation, only not using ADAM.

[Dimos]

Sorry for post here if not allowed any mod please delete my post frist The only callsign can be used in duty is ADAM for cruse XRAY for air unit and MERY for bike patrol other callsign not allowed used its against regulations and rule of the SAPD secondly he warn you at least like 5 times to change your callsign to ADAM and final we don't speak about money and sweep floor he ask you change callsign nothing else and not he not abuse his powers anyway i hope lionel explane to you more clearly than me ps if that post not removed

[Kyle McDane]

It is good to see fellow officers take a stand for their fellow comrade.

In such case, I'd like to ask Lionel / Trane about this, why is ADAM necessary? and if an ARPD officer declines to use ADAM for a more creative name, is a straight copban justifiable?

 and if it is necessary and it is justifiable, why does other units use signs like "HAWK" "COBRA" etc all the time? why are they not copbanned yet for not using "ADAM"?

[[R*]Drix]

http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=36824.msg332178#new

[Dimos]

COBRA is STAR callsign for air unit as for other callsign not allowed if none see theme then can't tell them change it

[Kyle McDane]

http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=36824.msg332178#new

Hey Drix. It states that's the "SAPD" policy. In the old times, ARPD didn't have to abide by exact specific rules as the SAPD, why now?

Also doesn't answer my second question, why are people allowed to use HAWK?

PS Any specific reason for limiting to ADAM?

[Dimos]

it not allowed you don't know to read abiouse

[[R*]Drix]

http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=36824.msg332178#new

Hey Drix. It states that's the "SAPD" policy. In the old times, ARPD didn't have to abide by exact specific rules as the SAPD, why now?

Also doesn't answer my second question, why are people allowed to use HAWK?

PS Any specific reason for limiting to ADAM?

You are SAPD recruit, that means your under SAPD it's been like that for a long time..

[Kyle McDane]

http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=36824.msg332178#new

Hey Drix. It states that's the "SAPD" policy. In the old times, ARPD didn't have to abide by exact specific rules as the SAPD, why now?

Also doesn't answer my second question, why are people allowed to use HAWK?

PS Any specific reason for limiting to ADAM?

You are SAPD recruit, that means your under SAPD it's been like that for a long time..

Damn, well I was away 3 years.

But don't you find it too harsh to issue a copban over non-ADAM?

also the last two lines please.

[Lionel Valdes]

Good evening, I am Captain Valdes and I will be treating your complaint.

It appears that the issue raised in this report is a result of a confusion of whether or not Recruits of the San Andreas Police Department are required to abide by the same callsign procedure as official, listed members.

The answer to this question is straightforward, and I will put it in the simplest terms for all those who are keen to know this: the Recruits are not required to operate under the designated callsigns. Although these callsigns feature in the Policy Manual, a public document, they are simply meant for those who wish to know what callsigns are officially recognised by the Department, and to describe their meanings.

However, there are certain situations where you can be asked, rightfully, to change your callsign. These situations are: if your callsign is provocative, offending, or contains profane language (in some cases, callsigns that can lead to an admin punishment), or if you use a restricted callsign for which you have no permission (callsigns that are restricted to divisions, or supervisory callsigns, or other special callsigns). If you ever fall in one of these situations, you must change accordingly.

Since you were not implicated in any of the above situations, the callsign question is answered. The Sergeant will be asked to acknowledge what is written above. You are also asked to refrain from provoking others on the radio. Some of your transmissions weren't appropriate nor were they needed.

On an important note, I ask all of you to choose your words carefully as some of your posts on this topic do not give the impression of a respectful tone. Accusations nor provocations will be tolerated.

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