[LOCK PLEASE]Full Police Officers Being in Gangs

[Shawn Edwards]

  I am opening up a General discussion about Full police officers being in known gangs. I don't think that its right or fair for known gang members/drug dealers to be full police officers in the SAPD/ARPD. Its not fair for them to bust someone with drugs on duty, and then turn around and go off duty and sell the drugs they confiscated as a gang member. If they are a drug dealer in a gang, they would already have drugs on them. So when they do drug busts and receive the drugs, they can easily get the drugs mixed up and not following the proper procedure in getting them destroyed. A topic like this should be under discussion so I am bringing it to the table. My solution is to allow gang members to be Free cops and Cadets with normal rights whereas they can't frisk people for drugs. When you look in the application section of the forums, you see more and more known gang members applying for the ARPD. They should either choose their gang, or being a Full Police Officer with the ARPD. As I stated this is not fair nor is it right. Topic Open for discussion. 

[Bianconeri]

you are right about that, and it used to be Sgt+,
but the thing is that its 2 different RP characters
they RP mafia/gang off duty, and when on duty they are real cops

but if someone gets caught on duty helping gang, taking drugs,
giving information through,
then he is corrupt and should be arrested

[Shawn Edwards]

you are right about that, and it used to be Sgt+,
but the thing is that its 2 different RP characters
they RP mafia/gang off duty, and when on duty they are real cops

but if someone gets caught on duty helping gang, taking drugs,
giving information through,
then he is corrupt and should be arrested

Yes its 2 different RP characters but its not fair that they get free drugs by /frisk and other people have to take the time to spend money and buy seeds, then grow them and risks chances of getting caught and getting their seeds token. Thats the point I'm getting at.

[ElMartu]

I think disallowing gang members to join the ARPD would ensure a better quality of the department. But Argonath is based on a freedom of roleplay, meaning the objective of the comunity isn't to prohibit possibilities for some people (in this case, sometimes it happens for everyone), but to create them. That means, mafia members should be able to roleplay a police officer when they wish.

[Shawn Edwards]

I think disallowing gang members to join the ARPD would ensure a better quality of the department. But Argonath is based on a freedom of roleplay, meaning the objective of the comunity isn't to prohibit possibilities for some people (in this case, sometimes it happens for everyone), but to create them. That means, mafia members should be able to roleplay a police officer when they wish.

Yes I respect that. But can something be done about the drug issue. Like not having the same drug inventory while on/off duty so that Mafia members wont have a disadvantage.

  Thanks for the Comments Guys!! Keep this Discussion going!!

[[Rstar]CBFASI]

Fact is Lieutenant above has restrictions, below there is non, this will NOT change, what is the point of discussing something when it will make no differance at all

[Caion]

you are right about that, and it used to be Sgt+,
but the thing is that its 2 different RP characters
they RP mafia/gang off duty, and when on duty they are real cops

but if someone gets caught on duty helping gang, taking drugs,
giving information through,
then he is corrupt and should be arrested

Bian you full right. There don't need a guy that joined a mafia and joined the ARPD. Officer+ don't allowed to join a gang, simpely....

[[TCL]Brian_G]

you are right about that, and it used to be Sgt+,
but the thing is that its 2 different RP characters
they RP mafia/gang off duty, and when on duty they are real cops

but if someone gets caught on duty helping gang, taking drugs,
giving information through,
then he is corrupt and should be arrested

Bian you full right. There don't need a guy that joined a mafia and joined the ARPD. Officer+ don't allowed to join a gang, simpely....

Yeh he is right.

[Mario]

That would take away alot of the current officers we have though. Also i thought if you were a cop and you confiscate drugs..you have to give it to a higher rank to destroy or do you keep it?

[ElMartu]

That would take away alot of the current officers we have though. Also i thought if you were a cop and you confiscate drugs..you have to give it to a higher rank to destroy or do you keep it?

Give it to the chief or any high ranked unit available, of course.

[FlameMan]

Confiscated drugs have to be given to Captain and above.

[Shawn Edwards]

Confiscated drugs have to be given to Captain and above.

  All you guys are missing the whole point of this topic. I'm not asking to dis allow gang members to be on the police force. Yes when we /frisk and finds drugs,  we are suppose to give it to the higher ranked to get destroyed. But who is to say that everyone gives there drugs over to be destroyed?? How can we be sure that everyone hands those drugs over? Can we get a system that will help out or do we already have one? My concern is the officers keeping the drugs and not turning them over but instead selling them. Its time to stop thinking inside the box or even outside the box. We have to realize there is no box. All officers are not turning over there drugs which is NOT right. That's all I am saying.

For Example: Officer John Doe (Pretend that Doe is a Mafia Tag) /frisk his suspect before jailing him. Officer John Doe then confiscates the drugs from his suspect. He is the only one in the PD that knew the suspect had drugs and there was no one around. (Who is to say that at that point, Officer John Doe gets the drugs destroys). Officer John Doe then keeps the drugs instead of getting them destroyed. He then goes off duty later as a civilian and then meets up with Gang Doe to do some drugs. Officer John Doe still have the drugs he confiscated in his /invent (Inventory) So he then takes the drugs he got from police duty and sells them to make profit? Is this wrong? Can there be a system made to insure this wont happen? Or this can happen and no one really gives a flip about it and Officer John Doe can do what he wants with the drugs?

This is what I am saying. Not banning Gang members from becoming apart of ARPD. I would rather see them helping us cops fighting crimes instead of camping there HQs and shooting at us cops. Lets be real here. What can be done so that a scenario like Officer John Doe does not or is not happening??

That would take away alot of the current officers we have though. Also i thought if you were a cop and you confiscate drugs..you have to give it to a higher rank to destroy or do you keep it?

Yes you do but how do we know everyone is doing this, or is this of no concern? I see that this topic has never been brought up.

Fact is Lieutenant above has restrictions, below there is non, this will NOT change, what is the point of discussing something when it will make no differance at all

What do you mean it will make no difference*?? Police Officers selling drugs to their gang members or other drug dealers?

You all missed my point

Its not fair for them to bust someone with drugs on duty, and then turn around and go off duty and sell the drugs they confiscated as a gang member.

[Ryan_Black]

Sadly, real life hurts from this same exact scenario.  It can be viewed as using the banhammer on corrupt officers for abusing the system, or it could be roleplayed and deal with them accordingly (investigation).

[Bianconeri]

you are right about that, and it used to be Sgt+,
but the thing is that its 2 different RP characters
they RP mafia/gang off duty, and when on duty they are real cops

but if someone gets caught on duty helping gang, taking drugs,
giving information through,
then he is corrupt and should be arrested

Yes its 2 different RP characters but its not fair that they get free drugs by /frisk and other people have to take the time to spend money and buy seeds, then grow them and risks chances of getting caught and getting their seeds token. Thats the point I'm getting at.

i know, but as i said above, we should be watching them,
let them give drugs to captain, and if not online to to highest that is online,
if they keep the drugs for if they go of duty, means they are corrupt,

and its our work to find them, investigate the own members,
and if we find them, full investigation to leaders,
and they can get punished

this makes a new RP possibility

[[Rstar]CBFASI]

What is not also clear is, we can actually SUSPECT COPS, so this sort of RP is actually ALLOWED..

Yes it takes a higher rank to suspect but we can do it, and that ability is there to allow corrupt cops..

[Wash]

Well, I'm sure everyone should be allowed to roleplay different characters without loosing a hard earned rank in the SAPD, no?

[Shawn Edwards]

What is not also clear is, we can actually SUSPECT COPS, so this sort of RP is actually ALLOWED..

Yes it takes a higher rank to suspect but we can do it, and that ability is there to allow corrupt cops..

Yes I am aware of that but I have failed to have seen this done. So basically I am saying, we are not doing our jobs to catch these people and w should get on the good foot. I am asking now how can we catch them. From m knowledge, no one has been caught, so what will change now? Can we put together operations of teams? I would like to catch the corrupt cops but we need a plan. We can start investigations and etc. As I said, we needed to bring this topic to the table and I am glad I did. Now that I know we can do something about it, I wanna get to work on this. But a question that really cantbe answered is how can we tell if the Officer off duty (New LIfe Off Duty) Grew the drugs he is selling or using confiscated ones? You really Cant so there is no way to catch corrupt officers. I am not saying they will sell them on duty. Im stating that they will sell them off duty and there is no clear evidence to see if they are the drugs themselves, or confiscated them from someone. Only log checks could answer this and I know you don't wanna get into that.

Well, I'm sure everyone should be allowed to roleplay different characters without loosing a hard earned rank in the SAPD, no?

Shhhhhh did you just skip over everything above ^^^?? Refer to above posts. Your comment has already been answered and I have already entertained it.


  Thanks everyone for the comments and feedback. This topic is still Open for discussion.

[Rabbit]

What is not also clear is, we can actually SUSPECT COPS, so this sort of RP is actually ALLOWED..

Yes it takes a higher rank to suspect but we can do it, and that ability is there to allow corrupt cops..

You say that switching to off duty is allowed, and to take the drugs they found is allowed... why?

Basically what people are doing is switching lives, and taking their confiscated drugs with them. So pretty much you can't do anything with them after that point.

[Shawn Edwards]

What is not also clear is, we can actually SUSPECT COPS, so this sort of RP is actually ALLOWED..

Yes it takes a higher rank to suspect but we can do it, and that ability is there to allow corrupt cops..

I understand where you are coming from. It would be a little RP in this because we do have Corrupt cops in real life so we may have them in Argonath. Its our job to go out and find them and investigate the situation. I am willing to put a team together to go out and do little investigations. (No a Police Division, Just a little team) I know many of you say, but we have NARC or however you spell it but I am not trying to take or do anyone's job. I just want to get to work and investigate corrupt cops.

I don't want to Lock this topic just yet. Its still open up for discussion.

[Shawn Edwards]

What is not also clear is, we can actually SUSPECT COPS, so this sort of RP is actually ALLOWED..

Yes it takes a higher rank to suspect but we can do it, and that ability is there to allow corrupt cops..

You say that switching to off duty is allowed, and to take the drugs they found is allowed... why?

Basically what people are doing is switching lives, and taking their confiscated drugs with them. So pretty much you can't do anything with them after that point.

That is what I was thinking but they are not encouraging people to do it, but basically Yes, you can do this on your own will and take your own risk of getting caught and fired from the SAPD/ARPD They can suspect you so will will have the lasting shame of riding in the back of a cop car as a officer and placed in the jails.