[LOCK PLEASE]Full Police Officers Being in Gangs

[Oliver Daniels]

What is not also clear is, we can actually SUSPECT COPS, so this sort of RP is actually ALLOWED..

Yes it takes a higher rank to suspect but we can do it, and that ability is there to allow corrupt cops..

So is it allowed to RP corrupt if other people agree with the RP without any serious consequences?

[Panda]

I think disallowing gang members to join the ARPD would ensure a better quality of the department.

Wrong, were you here when that idiot Luca_Scalise f**ked the SAPD up?
He didn't allow gangmembers in, and the SAPD was total pile of crap then.
Now that there are gangmembers in, its just a lot better.

I have been in the ARPD for over 2 years. I should still be allowed to run Araatus if I wish, I shouldn't have to pick between the two. When I get pissed off with being spat on as a 'rulebreaking criminal scum', I switch to cop for free stuff and simple orange hunting (ok, maybe its a little more than that ).

[Thomas_Crof]

Well... Why isn't there a /confiscate command (or something) and it makes the drugs disappear at once? This way it will never happen

[ElMartu]

Lol do you think right now the ARPD is good?

Well... Why isn't there a /confiscate command (or something) and it makes the drugs disappear at once? This way it will never happen

Chiefs have /destroyweed or some fancy command like that. Give the drugs to them.

[Thomas_Crof]

Well... Why isn't there a /confiscate command (or something) and it makes the drugs disappear at once? This way it will never happen

Chiefs have /destroyweed or some fancy command like that. Give the drugs to them.

That's what this topic about. The people who don't do this and sell the drugs off duty

[ElMartu]

I don't think a command like what you proposed will solve the problem.

[Bianconeri]

the ARPD doesnt got more quality because of members in the Mafia Panda,
look at the high cop rankings, you will not/rarely find a gang member there,
gang members get stucked around officer/senior officer

but not allowing gang members goes a bit far,
but if they get caught dealing the drugs to there own gang,
they can get kicked from ARPD because of being corrupt

[Henry_Blaze]

Actualy, They CAN sell drugs off duty. But its against law, so cops who keep drugs to theirselves are corrupt cops and FBI should deal with them.

[Panda]

the ARPD doesnt got more quality because of members in the Mafia Panda,

Then please explain why the SAPD became totally retarded when Luca Scalise made that rule?
Without Mafia/Gang members, your only decent fighting squad is SWAT. Want to deploy SWAT 24/7?

[Bianconeri]

so your saying that all except SWAT sucks?
so i suck, and a lot more with me who suck

SWAT is indeed a great group, most of them at least, and being in SWAT is indeed a great honour
but they arent the only who can fight a bit

and i wasnt here with lucas, but if all gang members would leave SAPD now,
then SAPD wouldnt lose much quality

[Shawn Edwards]

Well... Why isn't there a /confiscate command (or something) and it makes the drugs disappear at once? This way it will never happen

Exactly! This is the best reply I have seen so far with staying on the topic of my concern

Lol do you think right now the ARPD is good?

Well... Why isn't there a /confiscate command (or something) and it makes the drugs disappear at once? This way it will never happen

Chiefs have /destroyweed or some fancy command like that. Give the drugs to them.

Dude you just do not get it. We know the drugs can be destroyed. I give my drugs over to the high ranks. What about the Officers who doesn't? How do you know everyone is handing them over?  Not trying to bring other things into this topic, just like all the regulars who got caught abusing the weapon scripts and budgs, I believe regulars are abusing cop powers by being able to frisk for drugs and then turn around and sell them. My concern is that Officers are not handing to drugs over to get destroyed but instead keeping them. How can we know if Officers are keeping the drugs or handing them over? So thats why I agree that drugs should be destroyed as soon as you confiscate them instead of having to hand them over. All the drugs are not being handed over as they should. I don't know how many times I have stated this in this thread.

  I never said to kick Gang members out of the ARPD. I am just requesting a system to make sure people are not frisking and selling the drugs. That's all. I do not agree that gang members should not be in the ARPD. That never came out of my mouth.

[Deuce]

the ARPD doesnt got more quality because of members in the Mafia Panda,
look at the high cop rankings, you will not/rarely find a gang member there,
gang members get stucked around officer/senior officer

So you are saying that all high-ranked cops are great in combat? I beg to differ.

so your saying that all except SWAT sucks?
so i suck, and a lot more with me who suck

Well, yeah, that would be correct. Officers need script support to function properly against the criminals. The criminals barely received anything from the RS4 scripts except for being able to escape after a while (which doesn't really "help", since officers are allowed to come back), and giving weapons to each other. Officers received the right to be issued weapons from a higher authority. Not to mention that they receive free weapons. If the scripts supported the criminals as much as it supports the ARPD, you wouldn't be as "tough".

and i wasnt here with lucas, but if all gang members would leave SAPD now,
then SAPD wouldnt lose much quality

If your theory is correct about gang members getting "stuck" at the officer/senior officer rank, taking them away from the force will do nothing beneficial for the SAPD. Think about it: Majority of the officers are in a criminal group. If you fire them all, they will be full-time criminals. When you take a large portion of the force away because they are in a criminal group, the SAPD will have no chance against the criminal forces. Do you get my point? Firing officers that are in a gang/mafia will definitely reduce the SAPD's quality. Unless, of course, they receive even more script support.

[Panda]

Sorry for hijacking your thread Shawn, I know it was about drugs before.

Yea, if you kick out all the criminals - how will you possibly be updated with criminal locations and tactics? You will, within mere days, be floundering and totally crumbling under the massive weight of criminals that you have just forced into full time criminality. Not only will you not know how they work anymore, but there will be shitloads more of them.

Believe me, I give away almost every criminal tactic I know to the SAPD. This information is definitely not useless, especially in kidnap situations which cops seem to not be able to foil properly (when done right by the criminals, anyway).

About the drug thing, I don't see any issue. You should be able to trust them - if you catch them breaking that trust then punish. Simply done.

[Oliver Daniels]

On topic: Some officers indeed do keep the drugs they confiscated from criminals for themselves and use/sell them. I like Thomas' suggestion about that /confiscate command.

Off topic: If gang members wouldn't be allowed in SAPD then the SAPD would lose a LOT of fine cops not only from criminal gangs... Bianconeri, there are good DMers in SAPD, no doubt, but can a handful of good shooters fight against hordes of criminals with combats, M4s and armour who aren't held back by rules? (except the server rules of course)
Criminals would roam the streets and Argonath would be thrown into chaos for sure. Not even SWAT can handle 20 suspects with 5-6 men...

[[Rstar]Vince]

What is not also clear is, we can actually SUSPECT COPS, so this sort of RP is actually ALLOWED..

Yes it takes a higher rank to suspect but we can do it, and that ability is there to allow corrupt cops..

So is it allowed to RP corrupt if other people agree with the RP without any serious consequences?

No. He means that you can roleplay a corrupt cop without having to deal with hp bugs, being killed while on-duty, etc.

As to speak from when Luca was around - to be completely honest the SAPD was fine with the "no being a criminal as an officer" rules, sure, they had complaints but I'm quite sure that didn't affect applications and the SAPD as a whole...

I'm tired and it's late Cane remind me tomorrow to give a full response here *lets out sigh*

[Deuce]

I'm tired and it's late Cane remind me tomorrow to give a full response here *lets out sigh*

Roger

[RockStracci]

Well... Why isn't there a /confiscate command (or something) and it makes the drugs disappear at once? This way it will never happen

There is a Command like that, but only for FBI..... /destroydrugs or something.... dont even know.... but CBF could edit it, and/or add high ranked to be able to use it.... like, +Sergeants, or just +Senior Officers, who got /cancelsus too....

what would be the difference? we are not trying to steal FBI's job, just simple to make it easier, or help them on the Drugs side....

[Chase]

IMHO, Cops who confiscate drugs must turn them in to a captain or higher to get them destroyed BEFORE EVER going off duty. Carry confiscated drugs off duty shouldn't be allowed as it will only cause confusion. Example - One of my fellow agents arrested a off duty SAPD and narcotics officer for kidnapping and massive killings of cops. He searched him, found drugs, he refused to give with the excuse "They're confiscated drugs, I need to give them to chief".

We won't take such excuse. If you act like a criminal off duty, with confiscated drugs.. expect to be treated like a criminal.

If you refuse to hand over drugs found with /frisk to FBI (IDK about SAPD) when arrested.. expect to be jailed in Mordor. Whether they are confiscated or not.

[Shawn Edwards]

IMHO, Cops who confiscate drugs must turn them in to a captain or higher to get them destroyed BEFORE EVER going off duty. Carry confiscated drugs off duty shouldn't be allowed as it will only cause confusion. Example - One of my fellow agents arrested a off duty SAPD and narcotics officer for kidnapping and massive killings of cops. He searched him, found drugs, he refused to give with the excuse "They're confiscated drugs, I need to give them to chief".

We won't take such excuse. If you act like a criminal off duty, with confiscated drugs.. expect to be treated like a criminal.

If you refuse to hand over drugs found with /frisk to FBI (IDK about SAPD) when arrested.. expect to be jailed in Mordor. Whether they are confiscated or not.

Couldn't they just store them in a house while of duty to get rid of them?? So when the higher ranks frisks them, they are found with nothing.

About the drug thing, I don't see any issue. You should be able to trust them - if you catch them breaking that trust then punish. Simply done.

Looking at the unban requests, many of Argonath Veterans and regulars were trusted, but you can't just trust everyone. I pretty sure admins had trust in them, but what about now?

[Chief J. Schappell]

Well... Why isn't there a /confiscate command (or something) and it makes the drugs disappear at once? This way it will never happen

There is a Command like that, but only for FBI..... /destroydrugs or something.... dont even know.... but CBF could edit it, and/or add high ranked to be able to use it.... like, +Sergeants, or just +Senior Officers, who got /cancelsus too....

what would be the difference? we are not trying to steal FBI's job, just simple to make it easier, or help them on the Drugs side....

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=36440.0

I love how he stole my idea before I made a topic about it :P