Argonath RPG Police Department
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Chief Alex_Zissou on May 25, 2011, 11:38:09 am
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In case you do not know who I am. I am Captain James Zissou of ARFD station 3 Las Venturas. This topic is about the lack of respect coming from certain individuals with in LSPD and ARPD (cadets+). I am, to say the least, appalled by the way I was treated today by one of the officers during an investigation. A little background. I was at station 1 (LSFD) I had earlier reported a subject assaulting myself and then fleeing. Long story short a C30 broke out when I was identifying the subject in custody. Roughly 4 suspects and 3 officers, suspects all using combat shotguns. Two officers were killed when I decided to step in. Using an extinguisher I downed one of the suspects, then immediately /gu. Now I am not complaining about the fact that I had to spend time in jail. I understand that is the law. However even after identifying myself as Captain Zissou one of the officers continuously disrespected my rank and my station by calling me, "Mr. fireman." Not to mention the fact that this officer was also pushing, shoving, even when I was complying, and showing complete disrespect for me as a person, my rank, my department, and my station. Not everyone in ARFD is a deck gun abusing volunteer, much like how not everyone in ARPD is a orange dot hunter so I understand to a certain extent the disrespectful attitude towards each other. However even after identifying myself, and after giving the up most respect to the officers conducting the investigation, I was still disrespected. This is not the first time it has happened. I get /pm's constantly from ARPD officers(not freecops) asking if, "do you know how to rp?" That to me is disrespectful, yes I know how to roleplay. I am on a RP server, yes I know how. Instead of asking, just put out a radio call on /e and see if I roleplay, trust me you will be surprised how much I actually roleplay.
You think just because we don't have a scripted rank you are better? No, no one is better, we need to work together. We have ranks just as much as the police do. I do it, and I hope that my men do it, and I hope ARPD officers do it, everyone is sir or ma'am. Not, "Mr. Fireman". I am tired of name calling, disrespect, ect.. We are all emergency services, in the end all working towards one goal. The safety and security of the public.
Thank you for your time,
Signed,
Cpt James Zissou
Senior Training Officer
*Sorry if there are any spelling and/or grammar mistakes, it's late and I am tired.
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Everything went fine untill the suspects opened fire and killed me. From that point, i didn't mix in with the RP again, and disconnected from the server.
My apologies for my coworkers.
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Everything went fine untill the suspects opened fire and killed me. From that point, i didn't mix in with the RP again, and disconnected from the server.
My apologies for my coworkers.
Thank you Status.
It's not so much the shots fired, it's not even the fact I had to go to jail. It's the disrespect that ARFD in general receives from SAPD.
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Everything went fine untill the suspects opened fire and killed me. From that point, i didn't mix in with the RP again, and disconnected from the server.
My apologies for my coworkers.
Thank you Status.
It's not so much the shots fired, it's not even the fact I had to go to jail. It's the disrespect that ARFD in general receives from SAPD.
SAPD has no direct power over ARPD, should any ARPD treat you like that SAPD cannot do anything other than give him advice unless he is violating a violation deserving copban or any punishment.
If any SAPD cadet+ should disrespect you can forward evidence to the Cheif of SAPD or File a complaint against the SAPD officer
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SAPD has no direct power over ARPD, should any ARPD treat you like that SAPD cannot do anything other than give him advice unless he is violating a violation deserving copban or any punishment.
If any SAPD cadet+ should disrespect you can forward evidence to the Cheif of SAPD or File a complaint against the SAPD officer
Bullshit.
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For your information, it is between ARFD and the SAPD
ARFD = Argonath RPG Fire Department
SAPD = San Andreas Police Department / ARPD.
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For your information, it is between ARFD and the SAPD
ARFD = Argonath RPG Fire Department
SAPD = San Andreas Police Department / ARPD.
I'm fairly certain we all know the difference, but obviously you don't.
ARFD=Argonath RPG Fire Department
SAFD=San Andreas Fire Department, an official division within ARFD
ARPD=Argonath RPG Police Department
SAPD=San Andreas Police Department, an official division within ARPD
SAPD isn't SAPD/ARPD. ARPD is SAPD+ARPD.
Regardless of these facts, that has nothing to do with the situation at hand. Quoting Ronnel, it's bullshit that nothing can be done about this. I've been dealing with it since 2009 and I've made countless topics here. It shouldn't take 2 years for this community to recognize that respect should be given between roleplay groups and players, regardless of their status, and whether they be official or not.
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Everything went fine untill the suspects opened fire and killed me. From that point, i didn't mix in with the RP again, and disconnected from the server.
My apologies for my coworkers.
Thank you Status.
It's not so much the shots fired, it's not even the fact I had to go to jail. It's the disrespect that ARFD in general receives from SAPD.
SAPD has no direct power over ARPD, should any ARPD treat you like that SAPD cannot do anything other than give him advice unless he is violating a violation deserving copban or any punishment.
If any SAPD cadet+ should disrespect you can forward evidence to the Cheif of SAPD or File a complaint against the SAPD officer
Ok fine. I am sorry for disrespecting here, however I am not sure the correct terminology. The people doing the disrespecting towards myself, my men, and my station were not freecops. They were, again not knowing terminology, dark blue names. I understand if it were freecops doing it, however it was not.
I would make a complaint if it were one specific person, however it is not, it is "dark blue" names as a whole.
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It has been a long-time issue, mostly by regulars of this community. I have made countless topics here on ARPD forums trying to improve relations or discuss the issues, and it honestly saddens me that it's still happening...
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Why ain't y'all got a station in the country, any how?
Respect needs to be increased though.
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Why ain't y'all got a station in the country, any how?
Respect needs to be increased though.
Not needed, our response time from the nearest staffed station to any one of the county is amazing. That and if we cannot access the area with a rig, we can call in one of 3 birds in the San Andreas area.
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Why ain't y'all got a station in the country, any how?
Respect needs to be increased though.
1. We used to have one, but it was shut down due to a waste of resources. It was unneeded due to how quickly other stations can respond throughout the map. If ARFD ever becomes large enough, it's possible it may reopen one day.
2. I agree.
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So I wish I had proof to back this up however I have TXD hacks, and when you have TXD hacks, your chatlogs and F8 no longer works. I tried to get someone else to screen shot it however it was to late. Basically the transmission read,
/e I didn't deny you, I asked you his name and the area, so f**k you....
I was trying to roleplay that one of the "fire hawks" had crash landed in the Los Santos area.
I'm getting fraps so I can prove this crap once and for all.
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It clearly states in the consitituon that to help the police you will be required to be on duty, however that does not mean we dont appreciate a civilian helping an officer in danger. Nevertheless this causes confusion when you actually murder someone in the process of helping an officer.
If the situation is bothering you, then do not be afraid to drop names of SAPD officers involved and request a logcheck (find a free manager). This way we can examine the logs to see who was at faults of either non roleplay and the non reasonable player. Accusing the whole department (SAPD) and being unhappy when someone calls you "Mr fireman" will not get you anywhere except some arguments.
Although you might have had good intentions into making a legitimate post, when i read this its shows a frustrated young man with alot of accusation, anger is not the way to start a dialogue. Try to stay professional, calm and be prespective in your post if you want co-operation or understanding of other agencies and not babble about being called "mr fireman" surely not everyone including me knew you were a captain in ARFD.
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This is still going on? I thought it would end ages ago.
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It clearly states in the consitituon that to help the police you will be required to be on duty, however that does not mean we dont appreciate a civilian helping an officer in danger. Nevertheless this causes confusion when you actually murder someone in the process of helping an officer.
If the situation is bothering you, then do not be afraid to drop names of SAPD officers involved and request a logcheck (find a free manager). This way we can examine the logs to see who was at faults of either non roleplay and the non reasonable player. Accusing the whole department (SAPD) and being unhappy when someone calls you "Mr fireman" will not get you anywhere except some arguments.
Although you might have had good intentions into making a legitimate post, when i read this its shows a frustrated young man with alot of accusation, anger is not the way to start a dialogue. Try to stay professional, calm and be prespective in your post if you want co-operation or understanding of other agencies and not babble about being called "mr fireman" surely not everyone including me knew you were a captain in ARFD.
Ok, where to start. Like I said before I understand I had to go to jail that is not the issue. The issue is the lack of respect from SAPD as a whole to ARFD. Radio calls are unanswered, names are called, flaming, the list goes on. It's not the fact that I can't provide names however it is not one single person, it's not two people, it is multiple people. I find that VERY disrespectful "Mr. fireman", especially after I identified myself. Ok so you may not know in game that I am the Captain of ARFD, however after I identify myself. The disrespectful/ provoking is not needed. It was clear that in that role play he was just doing it to provoke an argument. Chief, I don't think yourself would like to be called "Mr. Cop" by official ARFD members. Look I made this topic because it is not just now, it has been on going. Like the Chief Schappell said, it has been going on for a long long time. It's not needed. I would never speak to a high ranking, even low ranking member of SAPD like that.
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Remember that you are as much a Fireman, as Chief Leroy Hudson is a Cop.
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Remember that you are as much a Fireman, as Chief Leroy Hudson is a Cop.
Refer to my last post.
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It clearly states in the consitituon that to help the police you will be required to be on duty, however that does not mean we dont appreciate a civilian helping an officer in danger. Nevertheless this causes confusion when you actually murder someone in the process of helping an officer.
If the situation is bothering you, then do not be afraid to drop names of SAPD officers involved and request a logcheck (find a free manager). This way we can examine the logs to see who was at faults of either non roleplay and the non reasonable player. Accusing the whole department (SAPD) and being unhappy when someone calls you "Mr fireman" will not get you anywhere except some arguments.
Although you might have had good intentions into making a legitimate post, when i read this its shows a frustrated young man with alot of accusation, anger is not the way to start a dialogue. Try to stay professional, calm and be prespective in your post if you want co-operation or understanding of other agencies and not babble about being called "mr fireman" surely not everyone including me knew you were a captain in ARFD.
Ok, where to start. Like I said before I understand I had to go to jail that is not the issue. The issue is the lack of respect from SAPD as a whole to ARFD. Radio calls are unanswered, names are called, flaming, the list goes on. It's not the fact that I can't provide names however it is not one single person, it's not two people, it is multiple people. I find that VERY disrespectful "Mr. fireman", especially after I identified myself. Ok so you may not know in game that I am the Captain of ARFD, however after I identify myself. The disrespectful/ provoking is not needed. It was clear that in that role play he was just doing it to provoke an argument. Chief, I don't think yourself would like to be called "Mr. Cop" by official ARFD members. Look I made this topic because it is not just now, it has been on going. Like the Chief Schappell said, it has been going on for a long long time. It's not needed. I would never speak to a high ranking, even low ranking member of SAPD like that.
They ignore your call?Well they are missing a good roleplay
They call you names/provoke?/report is your friend
If a ARPD officer does anything to you then even though ronnel specified SAPD outrank ARPD we dont just go around punishing every ARPD we see breaking regulations, If they break a server rule report them or else try to teach them for a change will you?SAPD officers are expected to be over this kind of stuff, if your dark blue names do anything to you please Send a PM to Leroy or File a report or report to admins if it is a server violation.
If a ARPD disrespects you, well we cant do anything about them.If a SAPD disrespects you then go ahead and file a complaint.
Dont frame the whole SAPD because one or two of them are doing wrong.
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They ignore your call?Well they are missing a good roleplay
It's not about missing a roleplay. It's about the fact that there are 15 officers online, 0 suspects and not a one response to a distress call. That is the point of having a police department correct? Protect and serve?
They call you names/provoke?/report is your friend
I do report, nothing gets done. So I am reporting here. Like I have said it's not just one person to report. It is several SAPD officers.
If a ARPD officer does anything to you then even though ronnel specified SAPD outrank ARPD we dont just go around punishing every ARPD we see breaking regulations, If they break a server rule report them or else try to teach them for a change will you
Obviously, like I said, I understand you can't do anything about ARPD officers, however you can with SAPD. Oh and I have tried to change them in game. Also reported if they broke server rules.
if your dark blue names do anything to you please Send a PM to Leroy or File a report or report to admins if it is a server violation
Yes I got it. It has been said several times. However it's not just a single player, it is most of SAPD sadly.
If a ARPD disrespects you, well we cant do anything about them.
Mk. I understand no need to repeat yourself sir.
If a SAPD disrespects you then go ahead and file a complaint.
This is the complaint. I am simply making a statement hoping that a high ranking officer will let others know that this is unacceptable behavior and something will change.
Dont frame the whole SAPD because one or two of them are doing wrong.
I am not framing SAPD as a whole. I am saying I am tired of the disrespect. I am asking for change. It is multiple officers. I want to work together with SAPD not against and yet it seems like we can never work together.
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It clearly states in the consitituon that to help the police you will be required to be on duty, however that does not mean we dont appreciate a civilian helping an officer in danger. Nevertheless this causes confusion when you actually murder someone in the process of helping an officer.
If the situation is bothering you, then do not be afraid to drop names of SAPD officers involved and request a logcheck (find a free manager). This way we can examine the logs to see who was at faults of either non roleplay and the non reasonable player. Accusing the whole department (SAPD) and being unhappy when someone calls you "Mr fireman" will not get you anywhere except some arguments.
Although you might have had good intentions into making a legitimate post, when i read this its shows a frustrated young man with alot of accusation, anger is not the way to start a dialogue. Try to stay professional, calm and be prespective in your post if you want co-operation or understanding of other agencies and not babble about being called "mr fireman" surely not everyone including me knew you were a captain in ARFD.
Ok, where to start. Like I said before I understand I had to go to jail that is not the issue. The issue is the lack of respect from SAPD as a whole to ARFD. Radio calls are unanswered, names are called, flaming, the list goes on. It's not the fact that I can't provide names however it is not one single person, it's not two people, it is multiple people. I find that VERY disrespectful "Mr. fireman", especially after I identified myself. Ok so you may not know in game that I am the Captain of ARFD, however after I identify myself. The disrespectful/ provoking is not needed. It was clear that in that role play he was just doing it to provoke an argument. Chief, I don't think yourself would like to be called "Mr. Cop" by official ARFD members. Look I made this topic because it is not just now, it has been on going. Like the Chief Schappell said, it has been going on for a long long time. It's not needed. I would never speak to a high ranking, even low ranking member of SAPD like that.
They ignore your call?Well they are missing a good roleplay
They call you names/provoke?/report is your friend
If a ARPD officer does anything to you then even though ronnel specified SAPD outrank ARPD we dont just go around punishing every ARPD we see breaking regulations, If they break a server rule report them or else try to teach them for a change will you?SAPD officers are expected to be over this kind of stuff, if your dark blue names do anything to you please Send a PM to Leroy or File a report or report to admins if it is a server violation.
If a ARPD disrespects you, well we cant do anything about them.If a SAPD disrespects you then go ahead and file a complaint.
Dont frame the whole SAPD because one or two of them are doing wrong.
Excuse me, but no. Don't twist Ronnel's words around. He said "bullshit" to your post because it was incorrect. He never said nothing could be done about ARPD officers disrespecting users, hence his reaction.
I understand why everyone thinks the "Mr. Fireman" thing isn't a big deal, and to a certain degree it's not if the user doesn't know better, but when they begin purposely saying it to provoke and taunt a user to make fun of the fact that their FD rank isn't added to /rank, that's when it's going too far. As Gandalf stated previously, he doesn't want us to have in-game ranks because he doesn't want us to fall into the corrupt "I have a better rank than you so I must be better" attitude that ARPD has unfortunately fallen victim of over the years, (and no, I'm not blaming specific people or any leadership). That doesn't mean that ARFD shouldn't be treated with respect, as should any other player. James brought up a good point. How would you like it if you were the Police Chief and someone purposely started calling you "Mr. Cop" all the time just to taunt you, and there was nothing you could do about it? Name-calling with the purposeful intent to anger someone is considered provoking, which is also disrespect.
ARPD, I'm sorry, but I just don't see the attitude change that you are speaking of. You all are polite here on the forums most of the time, which is much appreciated, but when it comes to in-game work where no one can monitor it or do anything about it, MANY, MANY of you turn it around and act like ARFD is worthless. I will admit that some of you have attempted to fix this and roleplay with ARFD and respect it's ranks, which is great progress from where we were 2 years ago, but damnit, just because ARFD isn't as large as ARPD doesn't mean it's worth anything less. I ****ing founded ARFD with the intent to bring a new form of roleplay to the users that wanted it, and so far it has been a great success internally, despite the large lack of support from the overall community at times. My passion is police work, yet still to this day I defend ARFD because it pisses me off that people can't simply get along with a group of people wearing a uniform and spraying water on a fire or assisting in medical calls. It's not like they are out running around and shooting at you. They aren't your competition...they do a completely different job. They aren't criminals. They are here to assist you! So why can't you people get along? Use this topic as a chance to bring up your issues and personal feelings so we can get this crap out in the open and cleared up once and for all, because I'm honestly sick and tired of it. Two years is waaaaayyyyyy too long to be picking fights or starting issues between groups that should be working together. Hell, even the server rules are against what has been happening over the last few years, and still no one cares. That's pretty sad if you ask me. Let's get this **** together and figure out what it is that's really bugging you people...and I'm asking to hear from everyone, not just ARPD, or just ARFD. Civilians too.
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It clearly states in the consitituon that to help the police you will be required to be on duty, however that does not mean we dont appreciate a civilian helping an officer in danger. Nevertheless this causes confusion when you actually murder someone in the process of helping an officer.
If the situation is bothering you, then do not be afraid to drop names of SAPD officers involved and request a logcheck (find a free manager). This way we can examine the logs to see who was at faults of either non roleplay and the non reasonable player. Accusing the whole department (SAPD) and being unhappy when someone calls you "Mr fireman" will not get you anywhere except some arguments.
Although you might have had good intentions into making a legitimate post, when i read this its shows a frustrated young man with alot of accusation, anger is not the way to start a dialogue. Try to stay professional, calm and be prespective in your post if you want co-operation or understanding of other agencies and not babble about being called "mr fireman" surely not everyone including me knew you were a captain in ARFD.
Ok, where to start. Like I said before I understand I had to go to jail that is not the issue. The issue is the lack of respect from SAPD as a whole to ARFD. Radio calls are unanswered, names are called, flaming, the list goes on. It's not the fact that I can't provide names however it is not one single person, it's not two people, it is multiple people. I find that VERY disrespectful "Mr. fireman", especially after I identified myself. Ok so you may not know in game that I am the Captain of ARFD, however after I identify myself. The disrespectful/ provoking is not needed. It was clear that in that role play he was just doing it to provoke an argument. Chief, I don't think yourself would like to be called "Mr. Cop" by official ARFD members. Look I made this topic because it is not just now, it has been on going. Like the Chief Schappell said, it has been going on for a long long time. It's not needed. I would never speak to a high ranking, even low ranking member of SAPD like that.
They ignore your call?Well they are missing a good roleplay
They call you names/provoke?/report is your friend
If a ARPD officer does anything to you then even though ronnel specified SAPD outrank ARPD we dont just go around punishing every ARPD we see breaking regulations, If they break a server rule report them or else try to teach them for a change will you?SAPD officers are expected to be over this kind of stuff, if your dark blue names do anything to you please Send a PM to Leroy or File a report or report to admins if it is a server violation.
If a ARPD disrespects you, well we cant do anything about them.If a SAPD disrespects you then go ahead and file a complaint.
Dont frame the whole SAPD because one or two of them are doing wrong.
Excuse me, but no. Don't twist Ronnel's words around. He said "bullshit" to your post because it was incorrect. He never said nothing could be done about ARPD officers disrespecting users, hence his reaction.
I understand why everyone thinks the "Mr. Fireman" thing isn't a big deal, and to a certain degree it's not if the user doesn't know better, but when they begin purposely saying it to provoke and taunt a user to make fun of the fact that their FD rank isn't added to /rank, that's when it's going too far. As Gandalf stated previously, he doesn't want us to have in-game ranks because he doesn't want us to fall into the corrupt "I have a better rank than you so I must be better" attitude that ARPD has unfortunately fallen victim of over the years, (and no, I'm not blaming specific people or any leadership). That doesn't mean that ARFD shouldn't be treated with respect, as should any other player. James brought up a good point. How would you like it if you were the Police Chief and someone purposely started calling you "Mr. Cop" all the time just to taunt you, and there was nothing you could do about it? Name-calling with the purposeful intent to anger someone is considered provoking, which is also disrespect.
ARPD, I'm sorry, but I just don't see the attitude change that you are speaking of. You all are polite here on the forums most of the time, which is much appreciated, but when it comes to in-game work where no one can monitor it or do anything about it, MANY, MANY of you turn it around and act like ARFD is worthless. I will admit that some of you have attempted to fix this and roleplay with ARFD and respect it's ranks, which is great progress from where we were 2 years ago, but damnit, just because ARFD isn't as large as ARPD doesn't mean it's worth anything less. I ****ing founded ARFD with the intent to bring a new form of roleplay to the users that wanted it, and so far it has been a great success internally, despite the large lack of support from the overall community at times. My passion is police work, yet still to this day I defend ARFD because it pisses me off that people can't simply get along with a group of people wearing a uniform and spraying water on a fire or assisting in medical calls. It's not like they are out running around and shooting at you. They aren't your competition...they do a completely different job. They aren't criminals. They are here to assist you! So why can't you people get along? Use this topic as a chance to bring up your issues and personal feelings so we can get this crap out in the open and cleared up once and for all, because I'm honestly sick and tired of it. Two years is waaaaayyyyyy too long to be picking fights or starting issues between groups that should be working together. Hell, even the server rules are against what has been happening over the last few years, and still no one cares. That's pretty sad if you ask me. Let's get this **** together and figure out what it is that's really bugging you people...and I'm asking to hear from everyone, not just ARPD, or just ARFD. Civilians too.
I am both ARPD and ARFD, and so is Hiro and we both are respected, it all depends on peoples attitude towards one another. You can't have two bad eggs and expect them to taste good.
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You are both respected in ARPD, which is why you are respected when you do other jobs. You are both fairly well known in the community, which gives you that advantage. If you had both stayed strictly as ARFD, you would see the issues we have, just as you did back when you were only that. You have to admit that ARFD members shouldn't have to become official SAPD just to get respect :P
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Thank you Chief Schappell, that is in every way how I feel. In every SINGLE word, I was nodding my head agreeing with you.
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Ok, where to start. Like I said before I understand I had to go to jail that is not the issue. The issue is the lack of respect from SAPD as a whole to ARFD. Radio calls are unanswered, names are called, flaming, the list goes on. It's not the fact that I can't provide names however it is not one single person, it's not two people, it is multiple people. I find that VERY disrespectful "Mr. fireman", especially after I identified myself. Ok so you may not know in game that I am the Captain of ARFD, however after I identify myself. The disrespectful/ provoking is not needed. It was clear that in that role play he was just doing it to provoke an argument. Chief, I don't think yourself would like to be called "Mr. Cop" by official ARFD members. Look I made this topic because it is not just now, it has been on going. Like the Chief Schappell said, it has been going on for a long long time. It's not needed. I would never speak to a high ranking, even low ranking member of SAPD like that.
When I call Cops Mr. Cop, they don't mind.
When you identify yourself as Captain, people do not believe you as they think you are pretending to have a rank in the same way that I could say 'I am teh chief of Burger Shtos'
This is why I have always supported Scripted rank support for ARFD
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For your information, it is between ARFD and the SAPD
ARFD = Argonath RPG Fire Department
SAPD = San Andreas Police Department / ARPD.
I'm fairly certain we all know the difference, but obviously you don't.
ARFD=Argonath RPG Fire Department
SAFD=San Andreas Fire Department, an official division within ARFD
ARPD=Argonath RPG Police Department
SAPD=San Andreas Police Department, an official division within ARPD
SAPD isn't SAPD/ARPD. ARPD is SAPD+ARPD.
Regardless of these facts, that has nothing to do with the situation at hand. Quoting Ronnel, it's bullshit that nothing can be done about this. I've been dealing with it since 2009 and I've made countless topics here. It shouldn't take 2 years for this community to recognize that respect should be given between roleplay groups and players, regardless of their status, and whether they be official or not.
Nexxt was referring to where the person put "ARPD(Cadet+)...they would be SAPD, not ARPD. :roll:
I had a discussion about something like this today, when a civilian called a Lieutenant an Officer. I acted disgusted (as evil as I am) and he thought I was serious...teehee.
You are not called things like Mr. Fireman out of disrespect, but simply of misunderstanding and generalisation. It is not causing offence, like a civilian calling a Lt an Officer or Cop is not disrespect. Its just a general term :redface:
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I had a discussion about something like this today, when a civilian called a Lieutenant an Officer. I acted disgusted (as evil as I am) and he thought I was serious...teehee.
You are not called things like Mr. Fireman out of disrespect, but simply of misunderstanding and generalisation. It is not causing offence, like a civilian calling a Lt an Officer or Cop is not disrespect. Its just a general term :redface:
Well after I told him who I was and he continued to call me "Mr. Fireman," just to provoke. Then it is to be disrespectful. Look like I said before. I want to work together with the police. I want to have a good relationship, yes like in real life we can have that little I face danger all the time and YOUR the hero little competition. However in real life (please don't say this is a game not real life, I know that) everyone is respectful to each other. Like I said before we are all emergency services, in the long run working for one goal. Safety and security of the public. So why should we bump heads all the time. We need to work together. Something else I would like to add real quick. See a fire engine with myself in it lights and sirens. Please move, I only use my codes when rolling to a call, I don't abuse them. If you are not code for god sake please move! Lol anyways the point of this topic is I would like a better relationship with SAPD/ARPD just police in general. We need to work together. This is me reaching out asking for change. If you have an issue with ANY SAFD officials, please make a report. I personally will handle it. I am working on reforming SAFD from the inside out, this is the out reach.
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I abslutely agree Captain. If someone is in the way, and there is a fire truck or ambulance shouting through the megaphone to move, then they should move. Irrelevant who the person is, if the Fire Brigade need to be somewhere and the other person doesn't, then the Fire Brigade should take priority.
Good luck with all the reforming, I support what you are saying.
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I abslutely agree Captain. If someone is in the way, and there is a fire truck or ambulance shouting through the megaphone to move, then they should move. Irrelevant who the person is, if the Fire Brigade need to be somewhere and the other person doesn't, then the Fire Brigade should take priority.
Good luck with all the reforming, I support what you are saying.
Thank you for the support Sr. Officer Blake. You are right to say if anyone is driving. However I understand that sometimes we get volunteers abusing, just like you guys do sadly. Anyways, thank you again for the support, I hope to work to you around in game(on good circumstances however).
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let the ARPD firstly fix the respect inside the ARPD, that would be step 1.
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let the ARPD firstly fix the respect inside the ARPD, that would be step 1.
Ba-Ba-Ba-Ba-Bianconeri, WHERE THE :mad: HAVE YOU BEEN!?
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I had my winter and summer sleep to be honoust, just woke up ;)
Been having a lot of trouble with my health, busy with other things also.
So a break of a year or so was good for me
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Sugar :P
I had my winter and summer sleep to be honoust, just woke up ;)
Been having a lot of trouble with my health, busy with other things also.
So a break of a year or so was good for me
Oh, well sorry to hear bout your health.. but man you should come on msn, i got lots to tell you. go on your bianconeri_nl one
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need to get back my password first :P
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need to get back my password first :P
asap, im getting impatient here
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Bianconeri! It's been a long time since I've seen that name, welcome back :)
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let the ARPD firstly fix the respect inside the ARPD, that would be step 1.
That's ARPD's fault that they cannot get along with each other. Other groups shouldn't be subject to ARPD's issues.
You know what, I'm adding ARFD to that committee in the other topic...
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I'm fairly certain we all know the difference, but obviously you don't.
Stop thinking you know it better.
I said SASD (and explaination) / "slash" ARPD. So what's me explaining that ARPD is within the SAPD?
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I'm fairly certain we all know the difference, but obviously you don't.
Stop thinking you know it better.
I said SASD (and explaination) / "slash" ARPD. So what's me explaining that ARPD is within the SAPD?
Well maybe because ARPD is NOT within SAPD. SAPD is part of ARPD.
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Theres a misunderstanding here guys!
Cpt Schappell, Nexxt is not saying that the ARPD is within the SAPD...he is asking you how you came to the conclusion that he said that on his older post.
Just thought I'd lend a hand ;)
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Theres a misunderstanding here guys!
Cpt Schappell, Nexxt is not saying that the ARPD is within the SAPD...he is asking you how you came to the conclusion that he said that on his older post.
SAPD = San Andreas Police Department / ARPD.
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@James
You identified yourself as a ARFD captain, that does not necessarily mean ARPD are oblidged to call you Captain zissou or anything like that.They can call you by any nickname but if they provoke taunt or such report them.
People daily call cops Copper, cop , policeman , officer , mr.cop e.t.c and i never mind such things, i dont see why you take it so offensively and yes lots of people call me Mr.cop and i dont really mind that..
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Theres a misunderstanding here guys!
Cpt Schappell, Nexxt is not saying that the ARPD is within the SAPD...he is asking you how you came to the conclusion that he said that on his older post.
SAPD = San Andreas Police Department / ARPD.
Yeah, but he rectified it since, showing he does not think what you believe he meant by the quote above, with:
Stop thinking you know it better.
I said SASD (and explaination) / "slash" ARPD. So what's me explaining that ARPD is within the SAPD?
See?
Also, he meant it more like:
SAPD (San Andreas Police Department) / ARPD
He meant the SAPD was the San Andreas Police Department, and put slash ARPD to bring all other people into it.
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You identified yourself as a ARFD captain, that does not necessarily mean ARPD are oblidged to call you Captain zissou or anything like that.They can call you by any nickname but if they provoke taunt or such report them.
People daily call cops Copper, cop , policeman , officer , mr.cop e.t.c and i never mind such things, i dont see why you take it so offensively and yes lots of people call me Mr.cop and i dont really mind that..
You've never been to any real type of academy have you? Regular people calling me a fire fighter is not the issue, so that defense doesn't fit the bill. Simple respect towards each other is by calling a person by there rank, whether he is in control directly of you or not. Captain Zissou, Chief Hudson, so on and so fourth. I will say this again it is not just one person disrespecting ARFD. It is multiple people and at all times. On top of that after identifying myself, the person continued to provoke.
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Actually, Captain Zissou is correct. It is customary to give a person their title if both are in a group like these.
However, even if a rank is not known then the person should still be treated with respect.
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Actually, Captain Zissou is correct. It is customary to give a person their title if both are in a group like these.
However, even if a rank is not known then the person should still be treated with respect.
Correct. Even if you don't call them by title, you should never purposely taunt them by calling them "Mr. Fireman" or "Mr. Cop". It's one thing if you're being playful because you don't know who they are, but when it gets to the point where they identify themselves in an obvious attempt to hint to you that's bothering them, and you purposely continue to anger them, that's going too far and by the server rules that can be seen as provoking.
See?
Also, he meant it more like:
SAPD (San Andreas Police Department) / ARPD
He meant the SAPD was the San Andreas Police Department, and put slash ARPD to bring all other people into it.
I'm not here to pick a fight with him or anything, but I was making a point that he said "SAPD = SAPD+ARPD", and that is still incorrect. In the correct, [longer] form, it would be "ARPD = ARPD+SAPD+VCPD+SAPD+VCPD+LCPD+FBI+FBI+FBI".
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I know you aren't, I just still believe there was a miscommunication :D
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Why are we turning a mouse into an elephant?? Seriously I could care less if I was "police officer" or "captain". Remeber this is a game and NOT all aspects of real life apply. We are here to have fun and not hunt after which rank we have, who noticed and such bullshit.
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Why are we turning a mouse into an elephant?? Seriously I could care less if I was "police officer" or "captain". Remeber this is a game and NOT all aspects of real life apply. We are here to have fun and not hunt after which rank we have, who noticed and such bullshit.
Excuse you but this topic is about respect, not about ranks. If you think it's about rank-hunting then please re-read it again or get the hell out.
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Excuse you but this topic is about respect, not about ranks. If you think it's about rank-hunting then please re-read it again or get the hell out.
*sigh*
You cannot create respect for yourself out of the blue - you have to earn it.
And frankly, by creating topics demanding respect from everyone, you're going to get none of it from anyone.
No offense intended, simply stating the facts.
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We have a saying it the armed forces...respect the rank. I dont care how much they annoy you, you will respect the rank they have attained.
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Excuse you but this topic is about respect, not about ranks. If you think it's about rank-hunting then please re-read it again or get the hell out.
*sigh*
You cannot create respect for yourself out of the blue - you have to earn it.
And frankly, by creating topics demanding respect from everyone, you're going to get none of it from anyone.
No offense intended, simply stating the facts.
Don't give me that crap. Read the rules Oliver. You and I both know that respect is NOT earned in Argo, but given to EVERY single player, regardless of who they are.
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We have a saying it the armed forces...respect the rank. I dont care how much they annoy you, you will respect the rank they have attained.
That is EXTREMELY correct. I mean don't quote this because I know the difference. However at my fire department in real life you call a Captain, or Chief a "Sir" you will get you ass kicked. "I did not work my ass off for this rank to be called, sir!"
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We have a saying it the armed forces...respect the rank. I dont care how much they annoy you, you will respect the rank they have attained.
That is EXTREMELY correct. I mean don't quote this because I know the difference. However at my fire department in real life you call a Captain, or Chief a "Sir" you will get you ass kicked. "I did not work my ass off for this rank to be called, sir!"
Exactly. In my old police academy, you had to call a superior by their rank. The ONLY situation you didn't is if you didn't know it, in which case you better learn it quick. If you called the Commander "Ma'am", she'd make you do wall-sits for 5 minutes straight...and trust me, they hurt!
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Excuse you but this topic is about respect, not about ranks. If you think it's about rank-hunting then please re-read it again or get the hell out.
*sigh*
You cannot create respect for yourself out of the blue - you have to earn it.
And frankly, by creating topics demanding respect from everyone, you're going to get none of it from anyone.
No offense intended, simply stating the facts.
Oh and I'm not demanding. I am asking. From one government official to another. I shouldn't even have to ask.
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Untill you understand this is a game then we cannot have a dialogue. Redpect is earned here not wrightfully given by your rank. I would highly recomend sugard to drop your harsh tone with me because clearly you are not showing respect yet you are demanding to get it. Understand not everyone in this game will not respect you if your attitude aint right yourself, also added to the fact there are immature players in this community who don't understand and lack respect.A
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We have a saying it the armed forces...respect the rank. I dont care how much they annoy you, you will respect the rank they have attained.
That is EXTREMELY correct. I mean don't quote this because I know the difference. However at my fire department in real life you call a Captain, or Chief a "Sir" you will get you ass kicked. "I did not work my ass off for this rank to be called, sir!"
Exactly. In my old police academy, you had to call a superior by their rank. The ONLY situation you didn't is if you didn't know it, in which case you better learn it quick. If you called the Commander "Ma'am", she'd make you do wall-sits for 5 minutes straight...and trust me, they hurt!
The FD does not outrank the SAPD, a ARFD captain is the same as a ARPD officer to SAPD.ARFD is not a part of the ARPD process.
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Untill you understand this is a game then we cannot have a dialogue. Redpect is earned here not wrightfully given by your rank. I would highly recomend sugard to drop your harsh tone with me because clearly you are not showing respect yet you are demanding to get it. Understand not everyone in this game will not respect you if your attitude aint right yourself, also added to the fact there are immature players in this community who don't understand and lack respect.A
Is that a threat? Sorry, but learn the damn rules before you go and call me f**king immature. The server rules say YOU MUST RESPECT ALL PLAYERS. Rank has NOTHING to do with it. I only have an attitude because you are continuing to provoke people in this topic and pick fights, rather than spread respect peacefully, WHICH IS REQUIRED BY THE RULES.
The FD does not outrank the SAPD, a ARFD captain is the same as a ARPD officer to SAPD.ARFD is not a part of the ARPD process.
Regardless, respect should still be given. ARFD recognizes ARPD's ranks, and both groups have equal official status. If we continue to follow that logic, that would be like ARPD not recognizing the President's rank as President, or FBI not recognizing the SAPD Chief's rank. Either way, this topic is not about ranks, it's about respect. The user being used in the example was purposely taunting James by calling him that because he was viewing ARFD as inferior compared to ARPD, which is not true at all.
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We have a saying it the armed forces...respect the rank. I dont care how much they annoy you, you will respect the rank they have attained.
That is EXTREMELY correct. I mean don't quote this because I know the difference. However at my fire department in real life you call a Captain, or Chief a "Sir" you will get you ass kicked. "I did not work my ass off for this rank to be called, sir!"
Exactly. In my old police academy, you had to call a superior by their rank. The ONLY situation you didn't is if you didn't know it, in which case you better learn it quick. If you called the Commander "Ma'am", she'd make you do wall-sits for 5 minutes straight...and trust me, they hurt!
The FD does not outrank the SAPD, a ARFD captain is the same as a ARPD officer to SAPD.ARFD is not a part of the ARPD process.
That's not the point. That and no one said FD out ranks SAPD. It is a common, out of respect, practice within the fire department, and out of, or at least it should. I mean I don't mind being called a firefighter. Rank is not the point. So stop saying, "oh well you don't out rank me, blah blah blah." Yes I know I don't. However don't provoke and taunt to get your points across that is the point. The point is you should be respectful at all times, even to criminals, your supposed to be trained to maintain composer and brush it off like nothing.
I know a story about a police officer in my area that has to do with this subject actually. The officer was getting a hair cut off duty. After the hair cut he walked back to his car which was parked behind the building. The officer had to walk through a dark small alley way just to get there. Middle of walking to his car a low rider "cholo-mobile" pulled up next to him. PITCH black windows. The officer couldn't see inside the car. He wasn't sure whether he should draw his off duty weapon or not. The window of the vehicle cracked and a gun pointed out the window. The officer stood there frozen. Then a voice said from behind the glass "Yo officer ****, if you were a jackass to me the other day I would have ended you already, but you were one of the coolest pigs I have met." That is a true story, met the officer, talked to him. Nice guy.
The point is you should respect everyone at all times, or be respectful when speaking towards them.
And why has this turned into an argument really. Why can't it just be like, " Yeah I agree we should respect each other. There should be respect going both ways."
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Captain Kenny, to put it bluntly, the only reason I call you by your rank and am respectful to you most of the time is because of the rank. I think your attitude sucks, and I'm not afraid to say it...no matter what means of communication are used, ranks should be respected. To get the ranks IG, people must have done something right. I respect that.
Also, isn't it part of primary socialisation to be taught to give people respect?
If "respect is earned", then people would not respect each other because no-one shows respect to them, Lets face it, the quote is actually epic bullshit. Respect should be given to someone until you find a valid reason for them not to have it. It's worked for me so far.
That is EXTREMELY correct. I mean don't quote this because I know the difference. However at my fire department in real life you call a Captain, or Chief a "Sir" you will get you ass kicked. "I did not work my ass off for this rank to be called, sir!"
Well, in the RAF you have two seperate rank systems...Officers (Pilot Officer, Flt Lt, etc) and NCO's (NCO's being Corporal, Sergeant, Flight Sergeant).
If we called an NCO Sir or Ma'am, the sharp response would be "Don't call me sir/ma'am, I work for a living!". Basically because anyone with intelligence can be an Officer, but NCO's have had to work up from the very bottom.
Not really relevant, but I always found that funny :lol:
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That you have to respect everyone probably isnt about ''real'' respect but more to just behave nice to everyone.
Respect itself has got to be earned, but nice behaviour should be directed to everyone!
Doesnt means you have to asslick someone because he has a high rank(what still happens a lot though).
But you should respect him for all he did, as he probably did a lot of good things to earn that rank!
At the other side that doesnt means you shouldnt respect any freecop(ARPD officer nowadays) and
think that the freecops has no idea where he talks about and all.
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Don't give me that crap. Read the rules Oliver. You and I both know that respect is NOT earned in Argo, but given to EVERY single player, regardless of who they are.
I can pretend to have respect for you, yes. According to the rules I'm oblidged to do so.
Doesn't mean that people actually respect you and don't talk behind your back.
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Last time I checked, the rules didn't say:
- Pretend to respect other players
If you don't agree with a server rule, then leave ;)
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Perhaps the rules say to respect and not to pretend.
But if you say you like and respect everyone then i dont believe you!
Everyone of us has people they hate or at least dont like. But just because of the rank we will act like we do respect them.
While for real we kinde hate the person.
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You can respect someone you hate.
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Well, if you're going to pretend, don't be two-faced about it.
As Julio aptly put, you don't need to like someone to respect them.
Think of a Drill Instructor in the Armed Forces...you hate them because of how mean they can be, but respect them because of what they are, and how they respond to situations.
Kenny, ignore what I put in my post about respecting the rank and not you, I actually meant I respect you, but am not impressed with you as an indivdual ;)
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Think of a Drill Instructor in the Armed Forces...you hate them because of how mean they can be
Drill Sergeants are only mean when you f**k up or screw around too much. They don't yell at exceptional individuals for no apparent reason unless they're simply dicks.
The one portrayed in Full Metal Jacket was seriously over the top - those kinds of gunnies are extremely hard to find.
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Drill Sergeants are only mean when you f**k up or screw around too much. They don't yell at exceptional individuals for no apparent reason unless they're simply dicks.
The one portrayed in Full Metal Jacket was seriously over the top - those kinds of gunnies are extremely hard to find.
Lol, I'm guessing you saw it yesterday! I don't think he deserved to be shot though...tbf he actually did his job alright... xD
The whole routine with them is to break down your character and build you up again, so yes they do have to be mean, and make you feel bad about yourself...not sure if they do it as much now though.
You do anything wrong, and they are on you like a tonne of bricks, which is enough to make you dislike them, though you still respect what they do.
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Don't give me that crap. Read the rules Oliver. You and I both know that respect is NOT earned in Argo, but given to EVERY single player, regardless of who they are.
I can pretend to have respect for you, yes. According to the rules I'm oblidged to do so.
Doesn't mean that people actually respect you and don't talk behind your back.
If they talk behind your back, that constitutes a ban. ;)
You can respect someone you hate.
Well said!
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If they talk behind your back, that constitutes a ban. ;)
And that's not up to you to ban someone or not. Still making your own rules? You take existing rules out of their image, to make them look good on you - kinda bad thing, you know?
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If they talk behind your back, that constitutes a ban. ;)
And that's not up to you to ban someone or not. Still making your own rules? You take existing rules out of their image, to make them look good on you - kinda bad thing, you know?
Actually, I was referring to my own recent incidents. Don't pick fights. You've been warned.
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I agree with Captain Schappell.
Talking behind someones back isn't going to go down well at all.
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If they talk behind your back, that constitutes a ban. ;)
So constructive criticism about someone is against the rules now?
Why the f**k are you asking for respect, when you act so hostile?
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If they talk behind your back, that constitutes a ban. ;)
So constructive criticism about someone is against the rules now?
Why the f**k are you asking for respect, when you act so hostile?
Constructive criticism is not talking shit about someone behind their back. It's friendly conversation discussing an issue you have with the person, to that person, in order to find a resolution. He was just plain provoking a fight with me. I suggest you don't encourage it either.
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Embrace nothing to the fullness. Take everything in reserve.
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Again this is not about rank :neutral: Not sure how many times I need to say this. It's just about being respectful towards eachother instead of provoking and such. To work together without a hitch.
Respect should be given to someone until you find a valid reason for them not to have it. It's worked for me so far.
I completely agree, and I do that at all times.
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Constructive criticism is not talking shit about someone behind their back. It's friendly conversation discussing an issue you have with the person, to that person, in order to find a resolution. He was just plain provoking a fight with me. I suggest you don't encourage it either.
I find your statements quite threatening.
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Constructive criticism is not talking shit about someone behind their back. It's friendly conversation discussing an issue you have with the person, to that person, in order to find a resolution. He was just plain provoking a fight with me. I suggest you don't encourage it either.
I find your statements quite threatening.
They are not meant to be, and I do apologize if they are perceived that way.
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Well you know what they say; Respect is earned, not given.
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I honestly don't see what's the damn issue.. you don't need scripts to be respected.
Look at the Montgomery Incident with Ravenwood and SAPD 2 years ago, everybody had fun and respected each other regardless. What happened to that nowadays? It seems people don't care about respect anymore.
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I honestly don't see what's the damn issue.. you don't need scripts to be respected.
Look at the Montgomery Incident with Ravenwood and SAPD 2 years ago, everybody had fun and respected each other regardless. What happened to that nowadays? It seems people don't care about respect anymore.
Exactly our point. Thank you Elite.
@Boozman: On a personal level that may be true, but as a human being the server rules demand that respect be given regardless of who it is.
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@Boozman: On a personal level that may be true, but as a human being the server rules demand that respect be given regardless of who it is.
Respect cannot be demanded by anyone. The server rules ask to respect everyone, however it's mighty hard to respect someone who hasn't done shit to earn it.
I believe tolerance is the word that should be used in this situation, not respect. You can't force someone to respect another person, just toleration.
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@Boozman: On a personal level that may be true, but as a human being the server rules demand that respect be given regardless of who it is.
Respect cannot be demanded by anyone. The server rules ask to respect everyone, however it's mighty hard to respect someone who hasn't done shit to earn it.
I believe tolerance is the word that should be used in this situation, not respect. You can't force someone to respect another person, just toleration.
Wrong. The server rules DO demand it. If you cannot follow the rules, you are punished. If you continue to break rules, you get removed from the server. By that standard, that means if you cannot respect other players, you are removed from the server, or even the community. As for tolerance, yes, that should happen regardless of who you are, where you are, and what you believe, even outside of this community. Not everyone thinks alike, and you don't have to agree with them, but you do have to tolerate them, and as a human being, show them the deceny of respect if you wish to have any yourself.
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I honestly don't see what's the damn issue.. you don't need scripts to be respected.
Look at the Montgomery Incident with Ravenwood and SAPD 2 years ago, everybody had fun and respected each other regardless. What happened to that nowadays? It seems people don't care about respect anymore.
Sure was fun, me magically calling SAPD in. :roll:
Wish it could be the same again.
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I honestly don't see what's the damn issue.. you don't need scripts to be respected.
Look at the Montgomery Incident with Ravenwood and SAPD 2 years ago, everybody had fun and respected each other regardless. What happened to that nowadays? It seems people don't care about respect anymore.
I don't remember mentioning scripts to be respected. I sadly was not a part of the Montgomery Incident. I like that that quote "It seems people don't care about respect anymore," I agree. Sadly.
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Well you know what they say; Respect is earned, not given.
Well...
If "respect is earned", then people would not respect each other because no-one shows respect to them, Lets face it, the quote is actually epic bullshit.
The rank shows they have earned respect. They have worked through the ranks, so they have earned the respect?
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The rank shows they have earned respect. They have worked through the ranks, so they have earned the respect?
That's not how ranks are earned, and you know that.
The majority of promotions in groups are done through favoritism, and anyone can see that. You can't deny it, some people get "noticed" more then others and received promotions faster then those who don't get "noticed". Some may not even realize that's what their doing, but it's the truth. If you can't see that nor admit it, then you are very naive and need to open up your eyes more.
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The rank shows they have earned respect. They have worked through the ranks, so they have earned the respect?
That's not how ranks are earned, and you know that.
The majority of promotions in groups are done through favoritism, and anyone can see that. You can't deny it, some people get "noticed" more then others and received promotions faster then those who don't get "noticed". Some may not even realize that's what their doing, but it's the truth. If you can't see that nor admit it, then you are very naive and need to open up your eyes more.
In the case of SAPD, I will strongly agree with you there. I'm not pointing fingers, but it's been a long time issue...probably almost as long as SAPD has existed. There's too many friend-based decisions happening.
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The rank shows they have earned respect. They have worked through the ranks, so they have earned the respect?
That's not how ranks are earned, and you know that.
The majority of promotions in groups are done through favoritism, and anyone can see that. You can't deny it, some people get "noticed" more then others and received promotions faster then those who don't get "noticed". Some may not even realize that's what their doing, but it's the truth. If you can't see that nor admit it, then you are very naive and need to open up your eyes more.
You just popped my little bubble of perfection... :lol:
I know you are right, as I have thought that myself in certain parts of the SAPD, where people's qualifications and activeness are ignored to put less suited people in positions...but I was trying to convince myself otherwise, as arguing with the leadership doesn't help chances of promotion either :conf:
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I'm glad I'm not the only one realizing that. And it's not a recent thing, it's always been that way... at least from where I stand.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one realizing that. And it's not a recent thing, it's always been that way... at least from where I stand.
It's been an issue longer than you've been in the community. Hell, it's been an issue ever since the first time I stepped foot in SA:MP and put on a police uniform. It's probably always been that way for SA:MP. I can't speak for the other servers, but I know MTA:VC was never this way, and I don't see why SA:MP is following such a horrible path. I hope no one else is following it either...
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It's been an issue longer than you've been in the community. Hell, it's been an issue ever since the first time I stepped foot in SA:MP and put on a police uniform. It's probably always been that way for SA:MP. I can't speak for the other servers, but I know MTA:VC was never this way, and I don't see why SA:MP is following such a horrible path. I hope no one else is following it either...
>server that has 100 on a daily basis
>server that has 5 on a daily basis
That's why.
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It's been an issue longer than you've been in the community. Hell, it's been an issue ever since the first time I stepped foot in SA:MP and put on a police uniform. It's probably always been that way for SA:MP. I can't speak for the other servers, but I know MTA:VC was never this way, and I don't see why SA:MP is following such a horrible path. I hope no one else is following it either...
>server that has 100 on a daily basis
>server that has 5 on a daily basis
That's why.
Not really, and you are very wrong on that. MTA:VC, back when it was popular, would have the server constantly maxed out with users fighting to get in when someone else's connection would time out or they'd leave. 26 plus a constant wave of fighting users brought a lot of it's own issues to the server, but playing the buddy system was never one of them. SA:MP could have easily stayed clean, but it didn't.
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Favoritism in this server exists because most of the players here are in their teens. Instead of paying attention to everyone equally, they concentrate on their friends and in most cases, completely ignore anyone they don't know or who has made a bad first impression on them. Only a minor fraction of the server's user base is able to make good decisions regarding handing out positions et cetera, most of them in turn being young adults - people who have experience in seeing how the world operates and realise that even if you don't like someone, they can still do a good job.
Another problem is the fact that people tend to close their eyes and look away when one of their buddies breaks the rules/regulations and the like. I've experienced it firsthand - I went around acting like a complete prat and an admin kicked a player that retaliated when I insulted him. I wasn't a friend with the admin but I was his superior in SWAT and he immediately assumed that I was in the right - even though I should've been punished instead. I can name at least five similar incidences from the top of my head where an admin/SAPD high-up has chosen to back his friend even though he's clearly in the wrong.
And, of course, friends promoting friends. It's been going on since the beginning of the server and it'll continue to go on until Argonath becomes obsolete. Bringing examples of it, however, tends to get people either suspended from SAPD or removed from it altogether.
I tend to talk about it a lot, but I still think that James was (and still is) one of the very few people in his age range able to make good decisions regarding leadership matters.
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Favoritism in this server exists because most of the players here are in their teens. Instead of paying attention to everyone equally, they concentrate on their friends and in most cases, completely ignore anyone they don't know or who has made a bad first impression on them. Only a minor fraction of the server's user base is able to make good decisions regarding handing out positions et cetera, most of them in turn being young adults - people who have experience in seeing how the world operates and realise that even if you don't like someone, they can still do a good job.
Another problem is the fact that people tend to close their eyes and look away when one of their buddies breaks the rules/regulations and the like. I've experienced it firsthand - I went around acting like a complete prat and an admin kicked a player that retaliated when I insulted him. I wasn't a friend with the admin but I was his superior in SWAT and he immediately assumed that I was in the right - even though I should've been punished instead. I can name at least five similar incidences from the top of my head where an admin/SAPD high-up has chosen to back his friend even though he's clearly in the wrong.
And, of course, friends promoting friends. It's been going on since the beginning of the server and it'll continue to go on until Argonath becomes obsolete. Bringing examples of it, however, tends to get people either suspended from SAPD or removed from it altogether.
I tend to talk about it a lot, but I still think that James was (and still is) one of the very few people in his age range able to make good decisions regarding leadership matters.
VERY WELL SAID!
Holy shit Oliver, that post amazed the hell out of me...great work man, that was inspiring to read! You pretty much nailed it right there!
As for the topic being derailed, it is going off-topic, but overall it does have some relation to the original subject because it is one of the main causes, so I'll refrain some splitting it since it has relevancy.
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More post deralining..
In the case of SAPD, I will strongly agree with you there. I'm not pointing fingers, but it's been a long time issue...probably almost as long as SAPD has existed. There's too many friend-based decisions happening.
Its a shame you still want vengeance SugarD you blame SAPD for favouritism when in reality its bigger than one single department. You and I both know (unless your unwilling to look reality in the eye and deal with it) that procedures and rules set forth can be completely skipped or accelerated for the right people. This is how things work in any organisation wether it be police departments, fbi, a clan, group or even the admin team.
If you have the right amount of connection and friendship with the right personel you can and will most certainly be someone before the average person.
Wrong. The server rules DO demand it. If you cannot follow the rules, you are punished. If you continue to break rules, you get removed from the server. By that standard, that means if you cannot respect other players, you are removed from the server, or even the community.
The server rules demands the players to be respected, however in roleplay you DO NOT have to respect a player. Anyone can call you Mr fireman regadless of your rank and position. In this case the original poster was called @Mr Fireman@ and he is making a big fuss about it, it was done in terms of roleplay and NO ONE can be punished according to server rules. Its best to know the situations before applying server rules to every incident.
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More post deralining..
In the case of SAPD, I will strongly agree with you there. I'm not pointing fingers, but it's been a long time issue...probably almost as long as SAPD has existed. There's too many friend-based decisions happening.
Its a shame you still want vengeance SugarD you blame SAPD for favouritism when in reality its bigger than one single department. You and I both know (unless your unwilling to look reality in the eye and deal with it) that procedures and rules set forth can be completely skipped or accelerated for the right people. This is how things work in any organisation wether it be police departments, fbi, a clan, group or even the admin team.
If you have the right amount of connection and friendship with the right personel you can and will most certainly be someone before the average person.
Wrong. The server rules DO demand it. If you cannot follow the rules, you are punished. If you continue to break rules, you get removed from the server. By that standard, that means if you cannot respect other players, you are removed from the server, or even the community.
The server rules demands the players to be respected, however in roleplay you DO NOT have to respect a player. Anyone can call you Mr fireman regadless of your rank and position. In this case the original poster was called @Mr Fireman@ and he is making a big fuss about it, it was done in terms of roleplay and NO ONE can be punished according to server rules. Its best to know the situations before applying server rules to every incident.
1. Wrong.
2. Wrong.
3. Still wrong.
I don't want vengeance. I QUIT SAPD ON MY OWN. Don't you dare even deny that SAPD has this issue because users openly have admitted it for years. Secondly, how dare you make personal attacks on me when you are discussing "respect". Lastly, I'm not going to even bother replying to every point in your post, that's how badly you tried to attacked me, and I honestly couldn't care less. For the record, you're also wrong about the "Mr. Fireman" thing, in this case. It's not the fact that he called him "Mr. Fireman" that was disrespectful. It was the fact that he purposely continued to say it only to taunt the user in hopes of angering and provoking him, purely because he had no respect for the fact that he was in ARFD.
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You and I both know (unless your unwilling to look reality in the eye and deal with it) that procedures and rules set forth can be completely skipped or accelerated for the right people.
Bullshit. Regardless of training, everyone should be treated equally and fairly, and should be forced to earn anything they have. They shouldn't be given a rank sooner because of their qualifications. Now if they prove themselves worthy by earning it fairly, that is one thing, but what you are talking about is just making them a higher rank because of their past experience.
If you have the right amount of connection and friendship with the right personel you can and will most certainly be someone before the average person.
Thank you for just openly admitting to one of the issues being discussed. Don't attack me when you agree with me.
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You and I both know (unless your unwilling to look reality in the eye and deal with it) that procedures and rules set forth can be completely skipped or accelerated for the right people.
Bullshit. Regardless of training, everyone should be treated equally and fairly, and should be forced to earn anything they have. They shouldn't be given a rank sooner because of their qualifications. Now if they prove themselves worthy by earning it fairly, that is one thing, but what you are talking about is just making them a higher rank because of their past experience.
Everyone -should- be treated fairly, yes. You seemed to misunderstand Kenny's point - he said that despite the general idea of fairness, some people are still treated more 'fairly' than others. I will bring myself as an example - When I briefly left around last summer, I realised that being a criminal in Argonath is way too big a burden on my funds and returned to the police force - to my old rank. Since I had friends high up, I didn't have to go through all the paperwork that usually comes with re-instatement.
However, I disagree with your point that people shouldn't be given a rank if they qualify for it. Take real life for example - you don't get ex-captains who resigned and returned to the force running around catching your everyday dope dealers. You shouldn't simply throw all that training and experience away.
You should cut down on the aggression, man.
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@Oliver
You are partly right, but there at least should be a limit in that!
Else i just could jump up again and become Sergeant as i used to be, but that isnt fair!
Everyone has to prove himself, no matter what rank he/she had! Although someone with experience probably rises up through the ranks faster