Respect between ARFD and ARPD

[Chief J. Schappell]

Theres a misunderstanding here guys!
Cpt Schappell, Nexxt is not saying that the ARPD is within the SAPD...he is asking you how you came to the conclusion that he said that on his older post.

SAPD = San Andreas Police Department / ARPD.

[Exterminator]

Back on topic :-

@James
You identified yourself as a ARFD captain, that does not necessarily mean ARPD are oblidged to call you Captain zissou or anything like that.They can call you by any nickname but if they provoke taunt or such report them.
People daily call cops Copper, cop , policeman , officer , mr.cop e.t.c and i never mind such things, i dont see why you take it so offensively and yes lots of people call me Mr.cop and i dont really mind that..

[Ben]

Theres a misunderstanding here guys!
Cpt Schappell, Nexxt is not saying that the ARPD is within the SAPD...he is asking you how you came to the conclusion that he said that on his older post.

SAPD = San Andreas Police Department / ARPD.

Yeah, but he rectified it since, showing he does not think what you believe he meant by the quote above, with:

Stop thinking you know it better.
I said SASD (and explaination) / "slash" ARPD. So what's me explaining that ARPD is within the SAPD?

See?

Also, he meant it more like:
SAPD (San Andreas Police Department) / ARPD

He meant the SAPD was the San Andreas Police Department, and put slash ARPD to bring all other people into it.

[Chief Alex_Zissou]

You identified yourself as a ARFD captain, that does not necessarily mean ARPD are oblidged to call you Captain zissou or anything like that.They can call you by any nickname but if they provoke taunt or such report them.
People daily call cops Copper, cop , policeman , officer , mr.cop e.t.c and i never mind such things, i dont see why you take it so offensively and yes lots of people call me Mr.cop and i dont really mind that..

You've never been to any real type of academy have you? Regular people calling me a fire fighter is not the issue, so that defense doesn't fit the bill. Simple respect towards each other is by calling a person by there rank, whether he is in control directly of you or not. Captain Zissou, Chief Hudson, so on and so fourth. I will say this again it is not just one person disrespecting ARFD. It is multiple people and at all times.  On top of that after identifying myself, the person continued to provoke.

[Ben]

Actually, Captain Zissou is correct. It is customary to give a person their title if both are in a group like these.
However, even if a rank is not known then the person should still be treated with respect.

[Chief J. Schappell]

Actually, Captain Zissou is correct. It is customary to give a person their title if both are in a group like these.
However, even if a rank is not known then the person should still be treated with respect.

Correct. Even if you don't call them by title, you should never purposely taunt them by calling them "Mr. Fireman" or "Mr. Cop". It's one thing if you're being playful because you don't know who they are, but when it gets to the point where they identify themselves in an obvious attempt to hint to you that's bothering them, and you purposely continue to anger them, that's going too far and by the server rules that can be seen as provoking.

See?

Also, he meant it more like:
SAPD (San Andreas Police Department) / ARPD

He meant the SAPD was the San Andreas Police Department, and put slash ARPD to bring all other people into it.

I'm not here to pick a fight with him or anything, but I was making a point that he said "SAPD = SAPD+ARPD", and that is still incorrect. In the correct, [longer] form, it would be "ARPD = ARPD+SAPD+VCPD+SAPD+VCPD+LCPD+FBI+FBI+FBI".

[Ben]

I know you aren't, I just still believe there was a miscommunication 

[Kenny]

Why are we turning a mouse into an elephant?? Seriously I could care less if I was "police officer" or "captain". Remeber this is a game and NOT all aspects of real life apply. We are here to have fun and not hunt after which rank we have, who noticed and such bullshit.

[Chief J. Schappell]

Why are we turning a mouse into an elephant?? Seriously I could care less if I was "police officer" or "captain". Remeber this is a game and NOT all aspects of real life apply. We are here to have fun and not hunt after which rank we have, who noticed and such bullshit.

Excuse you but this topic is about respect, not about ranks. If you think it's about rank-hunting then please re-read it again or get the hell out.

[Oliver Daniels]

Excuse you but this topic is about respect, not about ranks. If you think it's about rank-hunting then please re-read it again or get the hell out.

*sigh*

You cannot create respect for yourself out of the blue - you have to earn it.
And frankly, by creating topics demanding respect from everyone, you're going to get none of it from anyone.

No offense intended, simply stating the facts.

[Ben]

We have a saying it the armed forces...respect the rank. I dont care how much they annoy you, you will respect the rank they have attained. 

[Chief J. Schappell]

Excuse you but this topic is about respect, not about ranks. If you think it's about rank-hunting then please re-read it again or get the hell out.

*sigh*

You cannot create respect for yourself out of the blue - you have to earn it.
And frankly, by creating topics demanding respect from everyone, you're going to get none of it from anyone.

No offense intended, simply stating the facts.

Don't give me that crap. Read the rules Oliver. You and I both know that respect is NOT earned in Argo, but given to EVERY single player, regardless of who they are.

[Chief Alex_Zissou]

We have a saying it the armed forces...respect the rank. I dont care how much they annoy you, you will respect the rank they have attained.

That is EXTREMELY correct. I mean don't quote this because I know the difference. However at my fire department in real life you call a Captain, or Chief a "Sir" you will get you ass kicked. "I did not work my ass off for this rank to be called, sir!"

[Chief J. Schappell]

We have a saying it the armed forces...respect the rank. I dont care how much they annoy you, you will respect the rank they have attained.

That is EXTREMELY correct. I mean don't quote this because I know the difference. However at my fire department in real life you call a Captain, or Chief a "Sir" you will get you ass kicked. "I did not work my ass off for this rank to be called, sir!"

Exactly. In my old police academy, you had to call a superior by their rank. The ONLY situation you didn't is if you didn't know it, in which case you better learn it quick. If you called the Commander "Ma'am", she'd make you do wall-sits for 5 minutes straight...and trust me, they hurt!

[Chief Alex_Zissou]

Excuse you but this topic is about respect, not about ranks. If you think it's about rank-hunting then please re-read it again or get the hell out.

*sigh*

You cannot create respect for yourself out of the blue - you have to earn it.
And frankly, by creating topics demanding respect from everyone, you're going to get none of it from anyone.

No offense intended, simply stating the facts.

Oh and I'm not demanding. I am asking. From one government official to another. I shouldn't even have to ask.

[Kenny]

Untill you understand this is a game then we cannot have a dialogue. Redpect is earned here not wrightfully given by your rank. I would highly recomend sugard to drop your harsh tone with me because clearly you are not showing respect yet you are demanding to get it. Understand not everyone in this game will not respect you if your attitude aint right yourself, also added to the fact there are immature players in this community who don't understand and lack respect.A

[Exterminator]

We have a saying it the armed forces...respect the rank. I dont care how much they annoy you, you will respect the rank they have attained.

That is EXTREMELY correct. I mean don't quote this because I know the difference. However at my fire department in real life you call a Captain, or Chief a "Sir" you will get you ass kicked. "I did not work my ass off for this rank to be called, sir!"

Exactly. In my old police academy, you had to call a superior by their rank. The ONLY situation you didn't is if you didn't know it, in which case you better learn it quick. If you called the Commander "Ma'am", she'd make you do wall-sits for 5 minutes straight...and trust me, they hurt!

The FD does not outrank the SAPD, a ARFD captain is the same as a ARPD officer to SAPD.ARFD is not a part of the ARPD process.

[Chief J. Schappell]

Untill you understand this is a game then we cannot have a dialogue. Redpect is earned here not wrightfully given by your rank. I would highly recomend sugard to drop your harsh tone with me because clearly you are not showing respect yet you are demanding to get it. Understand not everyone in this game will not respect you if your attitude aint right yourself, also added to the fact there are immature players in this community who don't understand and lack respect.A

Is that a threat? Sorry, but learn the damn rules before you go and call me f**king immature. The server rules say YOU MUST RESPECT ALL PLAYERS. Rank has NOTHING to do with it. I only have an attitude because you are continuing to provoke people in this topic and pick fights, rather than spread respect peacefully, WHICH IS REQUIRED BY THE RULES.

The FD does not outrank the SAPD, a ARFD captain is the same as a ARPD officer to SAPD.ARFD is not a part of the ARPD process.

Regardless, respect should still be given. ARFD recognizes ARPD's ranks, and both groups have equal official status. If we continue to follow that logic, that would be like ARPD not recognizing the President's rank as President, or FBI not recognizing the SAPD Chief's rank. Either way, this topic is not about ranks, it's about respect. The user being used in the example was purposely taunting James by calling him that because he was viewing ARFD as inferior compared to ARPD, which is not true at all.

[Chief Alex_Zissou]

We have a saying it the armed forces...respect the rank. I dont care how much they annoy you, you will respect the rank they have attained.

That is EXTREMELY correct. I mean don't quote this because I know the difference. However at my fire department in real life you call a Captain, or Chief a "Sir" you will get you ass kicked. "I did not work my ass off for this rank to be called, sir!"

Exactly. In my old police academy, you had to call a superior by their rank. The ONLY situation you didn't is if you didn't know it, in which case you better learn it quick. If you called the Commander "Ma'am", she'd make you do wall-sits for 5 minutes straight...and trust me, they hurt!

The FD does not outrank the SAPD, a ARFD captain is the same as a ARPD officer to SAPD.ARFD is not a part of the ARPD process.

That's not the point. That and no one said FD out ranks SAPD. It is a common, out of respect, practice within the fire department, and out of, or at least it should. I mean I don't mind being called a firefighter. Rank is not the point. So stop saying, "oh well you don't out rank me, blah blah blah." Yes I know I don't. However don't provoke and taunt to get your points across that is the point. The point is you should be respectful at all times, even to criminals, your supposed to be trained to maintain composer and brush it off like nothing.

I know a story about a police officer in my area that has to do with this subject actually. The officer was getting a hair cut off duty. After the hair cut he walked back to his car which was parked behind the building. The officer had to walk through a dark small alley way just to get there. Middle of walking to his car a low rider "cholo-mobile" pulled up next to him. PITCH black windows. The officer couldn't see inside the car. He wasn't sure whether he should draw his off duty weapon or not. The window of the vehicle cracked and a gun pointed out the window. The officer stood there frozen. Then a voice said from behind the glass "Yo officer ****, if you were a jackass to me the other day I would have ended you already, but you were one of the coolest pigs I have met." That is a true story, met the officer, talked to him. Nice guy.

The point is you should respect everyone at all times, or be respectful when speaking towards them. 

And why has this turned into an argument really. Why can't it just be like, " Yeah I agree we should respect each other. There should be respect going both ways."

[Ben]

Captain Kenny, to put it bluntly, the only reason I call you by your rank and am respectful to you most of the time is because of the rank. I think your attitude sucks, and I'm not afraid to say it...no matter what means of communication are used, ranks should be respected. To get the ranks IG, people must have done something right. I respect that.

Also, isn't it part of primary socialisation to be taught to give people respect?

If "respect is earned", then people would not respect each other because no-one shows respect to them, Lets face it, the quote is actually epic bullshit. Respect should be given to someone until you find a valid reason for them not to have it. It's worked for me so far.

That is EXTREMELY correct. I mean don't quote this because I know the difference. However at my fire department in real life you call a Captain, or Chief a "Sir" you will get you ass kicked. "I did not work my ass off for this rank to be called, sir!"

Well, in the RAF you have two seperate rank systems...Officers (Pilot Officer, Flt Lt, etc) and NCO's (NCO's being Corporal, Sergeant, Flight Sergeant).
If we called an NCO Sir or Ma'am, the sharp response would be "Don't call me sir/ma'am, I work for a living!". Basically because anyone with intelligence can be an Officer, but NCO's have had to work up from the very bottom.
Not really relevant, but I always found that funny