And these CMD Staff members who will try to give an argument that there is no favourism in SAPD- You can shove these arguments you know where. And dont try to say "You dont know anything" , because it wont work, its so obvious... A person gets accepted/reinstated and within 2 days he is already a Cpt. because he licked some higher ranked ass and sat with him in TS 24/7.
I know that most likely i will get denied due to " Shitting on CMD Staff", but tbh i dont really care no more.
And these CMD Staff members who will try to give an argument that there is no favourism in SAPD- You can shove these arguments you know where. And dont try to say "You dont know anything" , because it wont work, its so obvious... A person gets accepted/reinstated and within 2 days he is already a Cpt. because he licked some higher ranked ass and sat with him in TS 24/7.QuoteI know that most likely i will get denied due to " Shitting on CMD Staff", but tbh i dont really care no more.
Most likely yes, as you're asking for it.
Remember this; Hear, see and be quiet < never f**ks you up.
Keep such opinions between your ears if you know it would get your ass kicked.
And these CMD Staff members who will try to give an argument that there is no favourism in SAPD- You can shove these arguments you know where. And dont try to say "You dont know anything" , because it wont work, its so obvious... A person gets accepted/reinstated and within 2 days he is already a Cpt. because he licked some higher ranked ass and sat with him in TS 24/7.QuoteI know that most likely i will get denied due to " Shitting on CMD Staff", but tbh i dont really care no more.
Most likely yes, as you're asking for it.
Remember this; Hear, see and be quiet < never f**ks you up.
Keep such opinions between your ears if you know it would get your ass kicked.
Then let it be! If they're going to silence a person just because he said something against higher ranks, fine, i don't want to be part of an organisation that throws criticism to others but never accepts one against them.
I have to totally agree with you.
When i first joined argonath, it were no SAPD, it was ARPD , and ARPD were Freecops. I remember back then ARPD looked so professional, every freecops dream was to become one, and it wasnt easy to join ARPD back in the day either. People were honest and not rank hunting.
And these CMD Staff members who will try to give an argument that there is no favourism in SAPD- You can shove these arguments you know where. And dont try to say "You dont know anything" , because it wont work, its so obvious... A person gets accepted/reinstated and within 2 days he is already a Cpt. because he licked some higher ranked ass and sat with him in TS 24/7.
I know that most likely i will get denied due to " Shitting on CMD Staff", but tbh i dont really care no more.
Keep on topic.
Oliver, you make a good point, and I guess it's a very good thing that you posted this.
Favouritism is a sore issue really, but honestly, it's there, and always will be there. We can do our best not to do it, but it's so hard to do without regulations set out for every fart. We don't want that either.
I also agree about punishments...you made a marvellous point there.It is better to teach someone how to be better instead of slapping them away with no real lesson learnt. For example, the popular "shitting on command" isn't a good turn of phrase. Instead, it would be better if the Command Staff sat down with the officer and spoke with them about how they should conduct themselves. All an officer things from "shitting on command" is that they cannot voice their opinions. This shouldn't be the case, and I'm sure it is not.
Like Oliver said, it is better to do a positive action than a negative one. As Pancher just said, "constructive criticism". That's important, not just towards SAPD members, but also coming from them. If constructive criticism is more useful, then that is how it should be done. Negative actions just show that the Command Staff member has lost their cool, and acted unprofessionally.
Interesting that I saw this just now...I had a suspect just say "ben is more qualified". People look up to us, so we should be professional.
Don't take this as insults, but as constructive criticisms, so ideas can be built on. I basically just rewrote what Oliver said, but it is also the opinion I hold.
You all talk about changes and how we should improve, well improve, you all talk how SAPD CMD is that and that... Well why are you waiting for us to push you towards doing something better ? For the past several months I have been back, I see everyone posting SAPD is that and that, while they are SAPD themselv, what do you do to fix it, you know very good that SAPD CMD is for guidance, what you do on the field comes from within you.The SAPD CMD should show the SAPD officers a good example how to roleplay in situations, remember you as a high ranked officer set example for all the officers, you said it right "SAPD CMD is for guidance" - what I've seen the last few days from some of the CMD staff is a huge lack of roleplaying skill, they're just unable to roleplay or they don't think it's necessary. That might be one of the reasons why all the other officers won't bother themselves to roleplay, why should they, if their superiors don't.
You all talk about changes and how we should improve, well improve, you all talk how SAPD CMD is that and that... Well why are you waiting for us to push you towards doing something better ? For the past several months I have been back, I see everyone posting SAPD is that and that, while they are SAPD themselv, what do you do to fix it, you know very good that SAPD CMD is for guidance, what you do on the field comes from within you.The SAPD CMD should show the SAPD officers a good example how to roleplay in situations, remember you as a high ranked officer set example for all the officers, you said it right "SAPD CMD is for guidance" - what I've seen the last few days from some of the CMD staff is a huge lack of roleplaying skill, they're just unable to roleplay or they don't think it's necessary. That might be one of the reasons why all the other officers won't bother themselves to roleplay, why should they, if their superiors don't.
Well, I've already done that and you saw it also.You all talk about changes and how we should improve, well improve, you all talk how SAPD CMD is that and that... Well why are you waiting for us to push you towards doing something better ? For the past several months I have been back, I see everyone posting SAPD is that and that, while they are SAPD themselv, what do you do to fix it, you know very good that SAPD CMD is for guidance, what you do on the field comes from within you.The SAPD CMD should show the SAPD officers a good example how to roleplay in situations, remember you as a high ranked officer set example for all the officers, you said it right "SAPD CMD is for guidance" - what I've seen the last few days from some of the CMD staff is a huge lack of roleplaying skill, they're just unable to roleplay or they don't think it's necessary. That might be one of the reasons why all the other officers won't bother themselves to roleplay, why should they, if their superiors don't.
Again if you don't belive SAPD CMD are not capable to be example, you report straight to the chief and I am fully certain he will investigate it.
Again if you don't belive SAPD CMD are capable to be example, you report straight to the chief and I am fully certain he will investigate it.
But in order to share a vision, you must have attempted to fix this somehow before it, I see no attempts of it, which makes this topic only words but no actions.
Cadets/Applicants should be tested on their practical knowledge and attitude, not just answering a few questions.
Again if you don't belive SAPD CMD are capable to be example, you report straight to the chief and I am fully certain he will investigate it.
Report a CMD staff, for "lack of RP skill" ?
- 1st : If someone do this, he will get a "You have 24 hours to show evidences, or get punishment for spreading false rumors on CMD staff"
- 2nd : How do you want to proove it. You can't.
- 3rd : It's.. almost... a stupid report... Or in my opinion at least.
Anyway. I don't think it's the origin of the "problem".
A manhunt (of CMD staff) won't resolve this. It's a matter of everyone's daily actions.
I'd like to say also :But in order to share a vision, you must have attempted to fix this somehow before it, I see no attempts of it, which makes this topic only words but no actions.
Before solving a situation, you must point it out.
I know very little about the current method of joining the SAPD, trainingwise etc.
But seeing the standard, and attitude of some officers really highlights to me that it cannot be difficult at all.
I did 9 sessions, current Cadets do fewer (if I'm correct), I never did anything practical, which made the exam very easy, so if it's the same, that's not very good.
Cadets/Applicants should be tested on their practical knowledge and attitude, not just answering a few questions.
@ Plam:
I seem to have got into this rut...people think I am insulting them, so I like to confirm I am not.
If you look at my shirt reports/operations, both in the current ACS and in the old DPD boards/topics, you'll see that I and others have done what we can. That is, adopting ARPD Officers, making trainings, making organised patrols, and more.
However (and this might go quite badly) we cannot adopt Command members. We look up to them, and so they must act as the best of us all the time when on duty. Everything we do...we should be seeing from them, day in, day out.
We cannot change SAPD Command in the way we help ARPD Officers and each other...we can't tell you what to do, and we live in fear of getting punished if we turn round and say SAPD Command is wrong.
I have no objections with what most of us Officers do on the field...my post is mainly based at the attitude of Command members when an Officer does do something wrong. As an example (not to be taken as something which has happened!):
- Scenario 1 - Captain Plam Knight sees Jerome driving a Buffalo around. He PM's him with "Why are you in a buffalo?". Jerome responds, "I am patrolling sir." Plam says "Well, you can't. Get out the Buffalo, now". Jerome says "I don't understand, why?". Plam replies with "Do I need to give you a reason? I'm Command.". Jerome says "Well...it would be nice to have a reason.". Plam says "Go read what the forum says". Jerome says "Why can't you tell me? You know, and I don't. Tell me.". Plam responds with a 6hour copban for Jerome, reason: Shitting and ignoring Command.
- Scenario 2 - Captain Plam Knight sees Jerome driving a Buffalo around. He PM's him with "Why are you in a buffalo?". Jerome responds "I am patrolling sir". Plam says "Well, under the new regulations you can only use Buffalos during specific circumstances, such as a heavily armed suspect fleeing on an NRG". Jerome responds with "Alright sir, I'll return the Buffalo and grab a PD car".
In either situation, no other non-Command member would like to intervene, as Plam is a Captain. In Scenario 2, a constructive response was taken, and the situation was resolved. Scenario 1 ended badly, as the negative approach was taken.
Again, please take this as general constructive criticism. Names given above were not involved in such a scenario (I hope), and the scenario was invented by myself as an example. Now, I hope you understand what I mean.
Reiterating the point that non-Command members cannot do much about this...
Boy do I miss the old days. I die a little inside every time someone says ''SUxx at xxxxxx". Proud to say 95% of all my cop duty is traffic violations.
By the way that will be my last post for tonight and I will gladly answer more questions tomorow.Alright, I'll pose my point so people can think about it anyway.
Oliver I have to admit that some of these points are true, yet you put it in a fully wrong way, instead of making a proper full with evidence and ect... statement, sending it to Pancher as you know he is fully experienced and capable to deal with it, you come here making well not whining, but close to it topic. If you see something wrong then contact straight the chief of police, after all he is the most experienced member of SAPD and the one capable to deal with this.
what do you do to fix it, you know very good that SAPD CMD is for guidance, what you do on the field comes from within you.
I know very little about the current method of joining the SAPD, trainingwise etc.
But seeing the standard, and attitude of some officers really highlights to me that it cannot be difficult at all.
I did 9 sessions, current Cadets do fewer (if I'm correct), I never did anything practical, which made the exam very easy, so if it's the same, that's not very good.
Cadets/Applicants should be tested on their practical knowledge and attitude, not just answering a few questions.
Currently the academy is being updated, give us sometime to launch it fully and then please do give us your observations.
Lead by example.
If we want to go back in the day, we can go back in the day.
There aren't a lot of people around anymore who can recall what the SAPD was like a couple of years ago, and most of those who do have either stopped caring or switched sides.
My post was meant to show my opinion about a popular SAPD conduct these days: A couple of Officers roll onto the screen with Combat shotguns, blast the suspect to smithereens and take off as quickly as they arrived.
I hate to be the one criticizing, and never thought I would be. I would love to help, if only I had that motivation which I feel is necessary to make any sort of impact at all.
A person gets accepted/reinstated and within 2 days he is already a Cpt. because he licked some higher ranked ass and sat with him in TS 24/7.
I know that most likely i will get denied due to " Shitting on CMD Staff", but tbh i dont really care no more.
One thing I can think of is, indeed, to bring back the good old days. Not only that, however, but to build upon it in order to create something better. Maybe Oliver and the other veterans could share their wisdom on the rest of us and combine it with the good aspects of today's SAPD? (As was stated in past posts, attempts have already been made but not widely acknowledged.)The problem is to get back to that point would take a server-wide, if not community-wide, change in attitude and how things are done to get back there. A lot has changed in Argo over the last couple years, people included.
f you are guilty of such violation, you will be taken to the Chief's office and we will discuss it there RPly'd instead of the easy punishing way.I can't help but take this statement with a grain of salt, as I've witnessed a "Roleplay" discussion with high-ranks - In the chief's office in LSPD, with the one investigating paying little to no attention to you and instead talking about it with his buddies on TS/cbradio.
Academy is currently developing new proposals in order to improve it. We are focusing on making more practical sessions than theoretical so that there is a movement made.I got my badge after three days and my final exam consisted of driving captain Flameman from point A to point B, saying what 10-4 means and shooting some posts near Fort Carson. Since I was seen to be doing a good job as a freecop, I was brought into the force extremely quickly and ended up doing a lot of work as soon as I received my badge.
The only thing non of you have done is, contact me or Pancher of a SAPD CMD member doing something wrong. But the easy way most people take it is making a topic which causes a argument. You are free to suggest and propose, but do not point out something which you do not know is true or false.There seems to be this notion of 'go to the chief when you don't like something' going around - any fool knows that to change a country, you have to rouse the masses, with it creating pressure on the government.
One other thing is, lets just say all of you guys are imaginary SAPD Chiefs. How are you going to bring the 'old' days? I'm am not quite sure what 'old' days you are talking about. I don't even get how 'old' days relate to anything to the future. Because either way, our job is to serve and protect. Not just some 'old' days thing you guys were in with your friends and such. Because guess what, every single thing in life changes. Everything slightly changes for more interest and movement.It's not so much what we RP that is seen as the old days as it is how we RP'ed it, in a sense. I know for some who weren't around at the time it doesn't seem to make much sense, but even with Argo not being as advanced as it was at that time, things were still pretty amazing in comparison. It's not really anyone's fault...things just changed over time, especially with the loss of some great former players who had unique ideas that made the old days seem so much alive and well. We can bring that back fairly easily, but right now the community is lacking unity in how to do that...and in some cases, there are users that don't have a clue what it is and just don't care enough to even try it out. I know everyone isn't this way, but there are a few who are, and it makes it that much more difficult.
'Old days' ..........
Focus on the future, plans are welcomed.
One other thing is, lets just say all of you guys are imaginary SAPD Chiefs. How are you going to bring the 'old' days? I'm am not quite sure what 'old' days you are talking about. I don't even get how 'old' days relate to anything to the future. Because either way, our job is to serve and protect. Not just some 'old' days thing you guys were in with your friends and such. Because guess what, every single thing in life changes. Everything slightly changes for more interest and movement.It's not so much what we RP that is seen as the old days as it is how we RP'ed it, in a sense. I know for some who weren't around at the time it doesn't seem to make much sense, but even with Argo not being as advanced as it was at that time, things were still pretty amazing in comparison. It's not really anyone's fault...things just changed over time, especially with the loss of some great former players who had unique ideas that made the old days seem so much alive and well. We can bring that back fairly easily, but right now the community is lacking unity in how to do that...and in some cases, there are users that don't have a clue what it is and just don't care enough to even try it out. I know everyone isn't this way, but there are a few who are, and it makes it that much more difficult.
'Old days' ..........
Focus on the future, plans are welcomed.
A person gets accepted/reinstated and within 2 days he is already a Cpt. because he licked some higher ranked ass and sat with him in TS 24/7.
I know that most likely i will get denied due to " Shitting on CMD Staff", but tbh i dont really care no more.
Oh the irony where you come with these words.. Seriously, look at yourself before you talk.
And don't tell me "freedom speech" and such, because you are going off the limits.
I have personnaly implemented a Duty Violation section for the SAPD CMD to record violation files.
The violation records will consist the following;
Speeding when not reacting to a crime.
Reckless driving.
Driving on pavements (sidewalks).
Driving on wrong side of road without due cause.
Abuse of police siren when not required.
Obstructing traffic without cause.
Shooting standing still suspect
Driving a non marked vehicle
Exceeding weapon usage
Disgusting behaviour
... and more.
If you are guilty of such violation, you will be taken to the Chief's office and we will discuss it there RPly'd instead of the easy punishing way.
Now, I'm working in some particular areas in the SAPD in order to improve it in a positive way together with Pancher and the command staff. We have appropriately around 90+ members within the SAPD which is a pretty high rate.
Academy is currently developing new proposals in order to improve it. We are focusing on making more practical sessions than theoretical so that there is a movement made. I have also restricted the pursuit vehicles use in order to cease the arguments made in the ARPD.
The only thing non of you have done is, contact me or Pancher of a SAPD CMD member doing something wrong. But the easy way most people take it is making a topic which causes a argument. You are free to suggest and propose, but do not point out something which you do not know is true or false.
We are doing our best in order to fully stable the department in a good shape, yet i must admit there are a few particular areas in the SAPD which still have some fault. Which is why I'm giving my time in solving some stuff up step by step.
Words can be described, even with arguments. But the actions/implement-ions done? Way harder with a department of 90 members+/-
I have no problems in suggestions and opinions, I am happy to read them and give my time in order to process them to make a better view for yourself which i give my effort. But don't forget, i am a full time working Deputy Chief which means i may not respond at times where i am working in something which is related in developing the SAPD.
Respect, words of pure gold. Couldn't agree with you more..
One other thing is, lets just say all of you guys are imaginary SAPD Chiefs. How are you going to bring the 'old' days? I'm am not quite sure what 'old' days you are talking about. I don't even get how 'old' days relate to anything to the future. Because either way, our job is to serve and protect. Not just some 'old' days thing you guys were in with your friends and such. Because guess what, every single thing in life changes. Everything slightly changes for more interest and movement.Unfortunately Paul there is a kind of veteran syndrome where those who play for a long time grow up, become a little more mature and a little tired of the game. This is why they talk rubbish about "the old days", which was just as a teenager discovering Argonath for the first time, everything new and exciting with more imagination.
'Old days' ..........
Focus on the future, plans are welcomed.
Which is why this is complete bullshit. At least for SA:MP anyway. Read up and think about it yourself before you come up with some essay reply.One other thing is, lets just say all of you guys are imaginary SAPD Chiefs. How are you going to bring the 'old' days? I'm am not quite sure what 'old' days you are talking about. I don't even get how 'old' days relate to anything to the future. Because either way, our job is to serve and protect. Not just some 'old' days thing you guys were in with your friends and such. Because guess what, every single thing in life changes. Everything slightly changes for more interest and movement.It's not so much what we RP that is seen as the old days as it is how we RP'ed it, in a sense. I know for some who weren't around at the time it doesn't seem to make much sense, but even with Argo not being as advanced as it was at that time, things were still pretty amazing in comparison. It's not really anyone's fault...things just changed over time, especially with the loss of some great former players who had unique ideas that made the old days seem so much alive and well. We can bring that back fairly easily, but right now the community is lacking unity in how to do that...and in some cases, there are users that don't have a clue what it is and just don't care enough to even try it out. I know everyone isn't this way, but there are a few who are, and it makes it that much more difficult.
'Old days' ..........
Focus on the future, plans are welcomed.
ACS is the most professional department from all of the others, dear Deputy Chief, please read the A.C.S. protocol to get an idea what ACS really is. ACS is 90% different from DPD.
One other thing is, lets just say all of you guys are imaginary SAPD Chiefs. How are you going to bring the 'old' days? I'm am not quite sure what 'old' days you are talking about. I don't even get how 'old' days relate to anything to the future. Because either way, our job is to serve and protect. Not just some 'old' days thing you guys were in with your friends and such. Because guess what, every single thing in life changes. Everything slightly changes for more interest and movement.
A person gets accepted/reinstated and within 2 days he is already a Cpt. because he licked some higher ranked ass and sat with him in TS 24/7.
I know that most likely i will get denied due to " Shitting on CMD Staff", but tbh i dont really care no more.
Oh the irony where you come with these words.. Seriously, look at yourself before you talk.
And don't tell me "freedom speech" and such, because you are going off the limits.
I have personnaly implemented a Duty Violation section for the SAPD CMD to record violation files.
The violation records will consist the following;
Speeding when not reacting to a crime.
Reckless driving.
Driving on pavements (sidewalks).
Driving on wrong side of road without due cause.
Abuse of police siren when not required.
Obstructing traffic without cause.
Shooting standing still suspect
Driving a non marked vehicle
Exceeding weapon usage
Disgusting behaviour
... and more.
If you are guilty of such violation, you will be taken to the Chief's office and we will discuss it there RPly'd instead of the easy punishing way.
Now, I'm working in some particular areas in the SAPD in order to improve it in a positive way together with Pancher and the command staff. We have appropriately around 90+ members within the SAPD which is a pretty high rate.
Academy is currently developing new proposals in order to improve it. We are focusing on making more practical sessions than theoretical so that there is a movement made. I have also restricted the pursuit vehicles use in order to cease the arguments made in the ARPD.
The only thing non of you have done is, contact me or Pancher of a SAPD CMD member doing something wrong. But the easy way most people take it is making a topic which causes a argument. You are free to suggest and propose, but do not point out something which you do not know is true or false.
We are doing our best in order to fully stable the department in a good shape, yet i must admit there are a few particular areas in the SAPD which still have some fault. Which is why I'm giving my time in solving some stuff up step by step.
Words can be described, even with arguments. But the actions/implement-ions done? Way harder with a department of 90 members+/-
I have no problems in suggestions and opinions, I am happy to read them and give my time in order to process them to make a better view for yourself which i give my effort. But don't forget, i am a full time working Deputy Chief which means i may not respond at times where i am working in something which is related in developing the SAPD.
The example i given was not directed to anyone Paul, it was simply an non existing example to proove how things go these days.
And that i do not know nothing is a total bs. I once had a very close friend from SAPD CMD staff, which name i will not specify, and as he said "If you ever get accepted into SAPD, go and patrol with some high ranks and you'll get promotions like crazy" . And it was almost true, sadly i never aimed to patrol with high ranks.
One other thing is, lets just say all of you guys are imaginary SAPD Chiefs. How are you going to bring the 'old' days? I'm am not quite sure what 'old' days you are talking about.
One other thing is, lets just say all of you guys are imaginary SAPD Chiefs. How are you going to bring the 'old' days? I'm am not quite sure what 'old' days you are talking about.My fake re-work, documentation and announcement of the SAPD with this imaginary position in mind:-San Andreas Police Department
To serve & protect."The rehabilitation of respect behind the department you serve, and the common goal of achieving a system that rewards team-work, tactics and initiative."
It has finally come to the attention of command, that our Officers have been empowered to the state where the national guard would consider the enforcement to be out of control, and a state of unannounced martial law has been effectively in place in our reign over the populace that we once stood up proud to assist and protect. Therefore from this monumental point onward, the SAPD will strive to condition itself for a better experience for both the players, and the officers.
I. The resource pool of the department.
II. The armoury and weaponry of the department.
III. The management of sub-divisions.
IV. Mandatory one-day-a-week training program.
V. Clear rank progression goals.
VI. The complete re-work of SWAT.
I. The resource pool of the department.
With effective immediately, the following management changes are to be made;
- The removal of "golf carts" from the SAPD garages.
- The removal of all but two buffalo high-speed pursuit vehicles at major SAPD headquarters.
- The policy of returning a squad-car to the garage after use, else fines will be issued.
The community needs the reassurances of squad-cars patrolling their roads, unmarked vehicles are not a deterrence and they encourage poor quality vehicle handling during multiple responding cars chasing down a suspect on the run.
II. The armoury and weaponry of the department.
The Wild West has had less shots fired then the State of Argonath, and therefore the following restrictions are now in place:-
- Unarmed suspects on the run cannot be fired upon, unless they have previously shot at the Officer.
- The command /weaponequip may only be used under approval of a Lieutenant or higher, and only at major scenes.
- The mismatched equipment that Officers have taken to wearing across the state should be checked in with a more senior officer, to see if you look presentable for the community (hats, vests, etc).
III. The management of sub-divisions.
Sub-divisions are still actively encouraged among the SAPD, how-ever private ranking systems can no longer be implemented, you must carry out the responsibilities you have been trained to undertake and not assume the mantle unless clearly ready to engage in such, with written permission from command staff. You must also present a monthly report to this public board to demonstrate that your group is providing the community with a boon, and that officers are being correctly taught under your watch.
Furthermore if you are called to purpose for regular duties away from your sub-division, you are first and foremost an SAPD officer and this always takes priority.
IV. Mandatory one-day-a-week training program.
As command has finally realized that we have such an abundance of staff eagerly ready to prove themselves, or find themselves in a more suitable position, the mandatory SAPD officer training and upkeep program has finally been realized and put to use, effective immediately, every Saturday evening at 6.00pm GMT!
- Community policing; handling the various ethnics of the population of San Andreas.
- Pursuits; rolling blockades in numbers when in a vehicle chase. (Be shown that you don't need a buffalo to do police work, get more pride from it).
- Escalation drills; when to react with aggression and when not to.
- First Response Units; find out what to do when you are all alone and first to a major situation.
- The '4 C's'; discover what it means to - clear, cordon, control, confirm, and just how effective this simple method is to tactical policing in any situation.
- Tactical Movement; gain insight to basic tactical movement during a shoot out or house clearence
This list will be updated over time and not all of it can be covered every training session, but areas will be focused upon instead - command staff can select what they think needs to be worked on, but everything needs to be covered at least once a month from each department.
V. Clear rank progression goals.
The commanding elements recognize our Officers desires to progress and show achievement, therefore the following stages have been implemented to show you just how to reach the rank of Senior Officer, and what to do if you want to move on further then that.
White Phase
1. Demonstrate basic road knowledge for your city.
2. Conduct radio communication through codes.
3. Display a continual outward respect to the community, even when it barks and bites at you.
4. Maintain good vehicle driving skills, be seen to keep to the limits.
Red Phase
1. Attend at least one month of training weekends, as talked about in IV.
2. Present the attitude of "exhaust all options" before engaging a suspect with a fire-arm. All life is to be protected. Innocent UNTIL proven guilty.
3. Demonstrate the willingness to work with a team, how-ever small, even if just for a blockade.
4. Consider the use of Teamspeak, even if just to listen to reports (optional).
Yellow Phase
1. Attend at least two months of training weekends, as talked about in IV.
2. Be seen to actively mentor new officers to the ways of the SAPD.
3. Demonstrate initiative and control blockades on your own, as shown during training.
4. Understand that all this is to your benefit, await to be approached regarding rank, do not seek it.
Blue Phase
1. Maintain the status you are now at, for you will soon be recognized as an asset to the SAPD.
VI. The complete re-work of SWAT.
Reworking SWAT in to a tactical response team, to encourage organized roleplayers crime and create a genuinely enjoyable situation for all, not a death squad that squawks insults and creates a clique. I'll leave it at that, to avoid flaming, and if you really want me to show you i'll put together a film to make it blindingly obvious - but just follow these guys around for a day and you'll see just how great they are ... at killing people.
I did that all in about 40min? I didn't even extensively research or apply trains of thought, you ask what the "old days" are? It's when people had nerve to actually be strong of character and enforce some sort of cohesive team throughout the police force, today it's really sad - and so when you hear the "old days"? That's what people are referring toward. P.S - a one month long application process? Oxford university replies quicker!
James really nice work there, for the 1 month you are really back, except the past 2 years and half inactive, that you were away doing something different, most of us worked here and belive me we all had fresh ideas, but boost runs out after several months, now we are trying to be reasonable and in the same time improve SAPD. I really like this fire you have there, but would it be the same if you weren't inactive for 2 years and half ?
VI. The complete re-work of SWAT.
Reworking SWAT in to a tactical response team, to encourage organized roleplayers crime and create a genuinely enjoyable situation for all, not a death squad that squawks insults and creates a clique. I'll leave it at that, to avoid flaming, and if you really want me to show you i'll put together a film to make it blindingly obvious - but just follow these guys around for a day and you'll see just how great they are ... at killing people.
VI. The complete re-work of SWAT.
Reworking SWAT in to a tactical response team, to encourage organized roleplayers crime and create a genuinely enjoyable situation for all, not a death squad that squawks insults and creates a clique. I'll leave it at that, to avoid flaming, and if you really want me to show you i'll put together a film to make it blindingly obvious - but just follow these guys around for a day and you'll see just how great they are ... at killing people.
Yes please, promotional videos are always welcome to show how succesful we are :)
Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't SWAT supposed to handle high-risk situations where there's a good chance people will start shooting? :trust:
SWAT should be, and in the past has been a LIFE SAVING ORGANISATION, NOT A LIFE TAKING ONE
If I remember right, in one of the 9 lessons of 2 academy system editions away we had this small but important sentence which goes like this;
"Apprehending the subject is our main goal, eliminating the subject is a last resort choice"
One other thing is, lets just say all of you guys are imaginary SAPD Chiefs. How are you going to bring the 'old' days? I'm am not quite sure what 'old' days you are talking about.My fake re-work, documentation and announcement of the SAPD with this imaginary position in mind:-San Andreas Police Department
To serve & protect."The rehabilitation of respect behind the department you serve, and the common goal of achieving a system that rewards team-work, tactics and initiative."
It has finally come to the attention of command, that our Officers have been empowered to the state where the national guard would consider the enforcement to be out of control, and a state of unannounced martial law has been effectively in place in our reign over the populace that we once stood up proud to assist and protect. Therefore from this monumental point onward, the SAPD will strive to condition itself for a better experience for both the players, and the officers.
I. The resource pool of the department.
II. The armoury and weaponry of the department.
III. The management of sub-divisions.
IV. Mandatory one-day-a-week training program.
V. Clear rank progression goals.
VI. The complete re-work of SWAT.
I. The resource pool of the department.
With effective immediately, the following management changes are to be made;
- The removal of "golf carts" from the SAPD garages.
- The removal of all but two buffalo high-speed pursuit vehicles at major SAPD headquarters.
- The policy of returning a squad-car to the garage after use, else fines will be issued.
The community needs the reassurances of squad-cars patrolling their roads, unmarked vehicles are not a deterrence and they encourage poor quality vehicle handling during multiple responding cars chasing down a suspect on the run.
II. The armoury and weaponry of the department.
The Wild West has had less shots fired then the State of Argonath, and therefore the following restrictions are now in place:-
- Unarmed suspects on the run cannot be fired upon, unless they have previously shot at the Officer.
- The command /weaponequip may only be used under approval of a Lieutenant or higher, and only at major scenes.
- The mismatched equipment that Officers have taken to wearing across the state should be checked in with a more senior officer, to see if you look presentable for the community (hats, vests, etc).
III. The management of sub-divisions.
Sub-divisions are still actively encouraged among the SAPD, how-ever private ranking systems can no longer be implemented, you must carry out the responsibilities you have been trained to undertake and not assume the mantle unless clearly ready to engage in such, with written permission from command staff. You must also present a monthly report to this public board to demonstrate that your group is providing the community with a boon, and that officers are being correctly taught under your watch.
Furthermore if you are called to purpose for regular duties away from your sub-division, you are first and foremost an SAPD officer and this always takes priority.
IV. Mandatory one-day-a-week training program.
As command has finally realized that we have such an abundance of staff eagerly ready to prove themselves, or find themselves in a more suitable position, the mandatory SAPD officer training and upkeep program has finally been realized and put to use, effective immediately, every Saturday evening at 6.00pm GMT!
- Community policing; handling the various ethnics of the population of San Andreas.
- Pursuits; rolling blockades in numbers when in a vehicle chase. (Be shown that you don't need a buffalo to do police work, get more pride from it).
- Escalation drills; when to react with aggression and when not to.
- First Response Units; find out what to do when you are all alone and first to a major situation.
- The '4 C's'; discover what it means to - clear, cordon, control, confirm, and just how effective this simple method is to tactical policing in any situation.
- Tactical Movement; gain insight to basic tactical movement during a shoot out or house clearence
This list will be updated over time and not all of it can be covered every training session, but areas will be focused upon instead - command staff can select what they think needs to be worked on, but everything needs to be covered at least once a month from each department.
V. Clear rank progression goals.
The commanding elements recognize our Officers desires to progress and show achievement, therefore the following stages have been implemented to show you just how to reach the rank of Senior Officer, and what to do if you want to move on further then that.
White Phase
1. Demonstrate basic road knowledge for your city.
2. Conduct radio communication through codes.
3. Display a continual outward respect to the community, even when it barks and bites at you.
4. Maintain good vehicle driving skills, be seen to keep to the limits.
Red Phase
1. Attend at least one month of training weekends, as talked about in IV.
2. Present the attitude of "exhaust all options" before engaging a suspect with a fire-arm. All life is to be protected. Innocent UNTIL proven guilty.
3. Demonstrate the willingness to work with a team, how-ever small, even if just for a blockade.
4. Consider the use of Teamspeak, even if just to listen to reports (optional).
Yellow Phase
1. Attend at least two months of training weekends, as talked about in IV.
2. Be seen to actively mentor new officers to the ways of the SAPD.
3. Demonstrate initiative and control blockades on your own, as shown during training.
4. Understand that all this is to your benefit, await to be approached regarding rank, do not seek it.
Blue Phase
1. Maintain the status you are now at, for you will soon be recognized as an asset to the SAPD.
VI. The complete re-work of SWAT.
Reworking SWAT in to a tactical response team, to encourage organized roleplayers crime and create a genuinely enjoyable situation for all, not a death squad that squawks insults and creates a clique. I'll leave it at that, to avoid flaming, and if you really want me to show you i'll put together a film to make it blindingly obvious - but just follow these guys around for a day and you'll see just how great they are ... at killing people.
I did that all in about 40min? I didn't even extensively research or apply trains of thought, you ask what the "old days" are? It's when people had nerve to actually be strong of character and enforce some sort of cohesive team throughout the police force, today it's really sad - and so when you hear the "old days"? That's what people are referring toward. P.S - a one month long application process? Oxford university replies quicker!
If you wanna roleplay being a Sheriff and want to be drunk in the rusty golden roads - ACS/DPD is your optionYou seem marvellously uninformed, really. I'll tell you now that ACS is probably the most professional department in the whole SAPD. We're not just drunkards, and Sheriff Reece has worked HIS ASS OFF to make the ACS how it is today. Through extra applications, and strict guidelines which perhaps you haven't cared to look at, we're much more organised than the city boys.
ACS is the most professional department from all of the others, dear Deputy Chief, please read the A.C.S. protocol to get an idea what ACS really is. ACS is 90% different from DPD.^ This is pure truth. Also, the 10% similarity is:
That, my dear Deputy Chief, is progress. You seem to have missed it.
III. The management of sub-divisions.
Colleague, ACS was formed merely weeks ago, and had to be approved by the Deputy Chief, Chief, and the President. Surely, they should know how strict it is already?That, my dear Deputy Chief, is progress. You seem to have missed it.
A prime example of how sub-division monthly reports would serve to benefit command, because right now - practically everything goes unseen.QuoteIII. The management of sub-divisions.
Refer to it if you don't understand.
Which is why this is complete bullshit. At least for SA:MP anyway. Read up and think about it yourself before you come up with some essay reply.If you bothered to read what I said instead of attacking my post, I clearly stated that it was not all users that were the reason why it was difficult to bring back.
Otherwise: you want improvement? The only players I saw on the forums willing to put some effort into it, is command staff and some ARPD cops like the BCSD.
Colleague, ACS was formed merely weeks ago, and had to be approved by the Deputy Chief, Chief, and the President. Surely, they should know how strict it is already?That, my dear Deputy Chief, is progress. You seem to have missed it.
A prime example of how sub-division monthly reports would serve to benefit command, because right now - practically everything goes unseen.QuoteIII. The management of sub-divisions.
Refer to it if you don't understand.
Fortnightly publications from ACS can be expected to be posed both here and the main forums. ;) - Was already part of the plan
Paul, ACS are not drunkards :gandalf:
Academy is currently developing new proposals in order to improve it. We are focusing on making more practical sessions than theoretical so that there is a movement made.I got my badge after three days and my final exam consisted of driving captain Flameman from point A to point B, saying what 10-4 means and shooting some posts near Fort Carson. Since I was seen to be doing a good job as a freecop, I was brought into the force extremely quickly and ended up doing a lot of work as soon as I received my badge.
The academy is supposed to weed out the sloths and train the unprepared, but what the academy has become is 'Wait 5 days to do a session, then wait 2 days to do another one'. If someone's ready to become an officer and is putting in excellent work, he shouldn't be forced to sit on his ass for days just so he can do a session an infant could do.
If I remember right, in one of the 9 lessons of 2 academy system editions away we had this small but important sentence which goes like this;
"Apprehending the subject is our main goal, eliminating the subject is a last resort choice"
As it should be.
Due to the nature of my studies, I cannot stick to a schedule. I'd be forced to resign if there was a scheduled mandatory training every week, as I may not be able to attend.
I made 9 sessions + officer exam back in april 2011.
Go through my application and you will see. Some of it were, if i remember good:
1.Radio Communication
2. Detention / Investigation / Interrogation
3. Weapon Safety protocol
and few others.
These made me MONTH to study hard. Nowadays, you will be officer like after 2 weeks.
What's wrong with Caddies?
I made 9 sessions + officer exam back in april 2011.
Go through my application and you will see. Some of it were, if i remember good:
1.Radio Communication
2. Detention / Investigation / Interrogation
3. Weapon Safety protocol
and few others.
These made me MONTH to study hard. Nowadays, you will be officer like after 2 weeks.
/me hides his face in his palmDue to the nature of my studies, I cannot stick to a schedule. I'd be forced to resign if there was a scheduled mandatory training every week, as I may not be able to attend.
Why on earth would you resign?
I would personally take great pleasure in acknowledging this 'mandatory training,' and take an even larger pleasure in not bothering to turn up.
But what is your point?
But what is your point?
He's saying it's easier now.
I personally agree.
But what is your point?
He's saying it's easier now.
I personally agree.
But what is your point?
He's saying it's easier now.
I personally agree.
Okay how is it easier ?
That's how I became an Officer for the first time :)But what is your point?
He's saying it's easier now.
I personally agree.
Okay how is it easier ?
It is easier indeed. My academy was based on practise + UNDERSTANDING the theory. It's not a problem to know all the codes. You can print a sheet of paper and you pass whole theory.
My exams were difficult to pass even with everything printed. Examiners that were taught by me knew that the point of whole exam is to prove whether candidate understands the law, procedures and codes.
In example, does he know what codes he could use to express "responding to the situation" (code 2, 3, 10-76)? Does he understand the difference between those codes? Does he understand situations and how to behave point by point? Currently officers dont know what to do if suspect is not moving in a car. They start to shoot. It was one of the examination questions, and the proper answer was only one - one officer keeps aiming at the vehicle, and second one drags suspect out of it. If candidate couldn't "catch a drift" I was asking helping questions, like "are you allowed to drag suspect out?" or if I wanted to trick him "are you allowed to carjack suspect in such situation?". It was really, really based on the understanding of the law.
And that was the theoretical part, consisting of three stages (Codes, rules/laws/procedures, situations).
Practical part was more complex:
1) Map knowledge (driving from point A to B, with additional checking knowledge of the basic codes), e.g. Code 3 to Montgomery, Code 2 to Playa del Seville, 10-76 to Las Barrancas, etc etc.
2) Fighting (nightstick fight at Fort Carson cinema)
3) Shooting (at Fort Carson cinema)
4) Driving (two stages: first checked during the map knowledge, if officer is following the traffic law, second - roleplayed chase with examiner)
5) Regular patrol with examiner
That's the difference.
Yeah, how it is now:
- Print off codes
- Write down exactly what the instructor says
- Use notes during exam
= pass
I printed codes in my officer exam too! :lol:
I can remember them now...! ;)Yeah, how it is now:
- Print off codes
- Write down exactly what the instructor says
- Use notes during exam
= pass
I printed codes in my officer exam too! :lol:
Lol i have all them written down.. In my head ofc! i can remember all of the codes :D
You can remember everything, you can have all codes in your head and remember procedures word by word. But the point is - do you understand them?I didn't understand everything when I first became an officer...just reeled off what I was taught! Experience made me what I am now...I don't remember the academy teaching me most of my cop RP :lol:
Probably most of you will say: "ofc I do, I've learnt them and I understand what I've learnt". But to 90% of new officers, who passed through the new academy, I can prove in 5 minutes, that you do not.
Due to the nature of my studies, I cannot stick to a schedule. I'd be forced to resign if there was a scheduled mandatory training every week, as I may not be able to attend.
Why on earth would you resign?
I would personally take great pleasure in acknowledging this 'mandatory training,' and take an even larger pleasure in not bothering to turn up.
What's wrong with Caddies?
I got my badge after three days and my final exam consisted of driving captain Flameman from point A to point B, saying what 10-4 means and shooting some posts near Fort Carson. Since I was seen to be doing a good job as a freecop, I was brought into the force extremely quickly and ended up doing a lot of work as soon as I received my badge.
The academy is supposed to weed out the sloths and train the unprepared, but what the academy has become is 'Wait 5 days to do a session, then wait 2 days to do another one'. If someone's ready to become an officer and is putting in excellent work, he shouldn't be forced to sit on his ass for days just so he can do a session an infant could do.
Due to the nature of my studies, I cannot stick to a schedule. I'd be forced to resign if there was a scheduled mandatory training every week, as I may not be able to attend.
Why on earth would you resign?
I would personally take great pleasure in acknowledging this 'mandatory training,' and take an even larger pleasure in not bothering to turn up.
I find it f**king hilarious how literal you took that imaginary draft post, not to mention your inability to think for a second that it could be changed to once a month so that people like you who can't structure their lives to fit in an hour a week somewhere have enough ample time so you don't feel like you actually have to work at being a police officer, and so your favoured TDM server still has your blue name when you next log in.
Can you give me some SMG ammo btw? I hear shooting orange dots running away with automatic weapons is good sport these days.
Yeah, how it is now:I printed them, studied them, and then hid them away during my examination, just to prove to myself that I was ready for such a job. Flameman was my examiner as a SA:MP SAPD Captain at the time too. I even remember my Officer's exam with [R*]Lionz in MTA:VC. Did the same, exact thing with my code information, which helped me memorize them instead. I will never forget those days. :cop:
- Print off codes
- Write down exactly what the instructor says
- Use notes during exam
= pass
I printed codes in my officer exam too! :lol:
Yeah, how it is now:
- Print off codes
- Write down exactly what the instructor says
- Use notes during exam
= pass
I printed codes in my officer exam too! :lol:
Due to the nature of my studies, I cannot stick to a schedule. I'd be forced to resign if there was a scheduled mandatory training every week, as I may not be able to attend.
Why on earth would you resign?
I would personally take great pleasure in acknowledging this 'mandatory training,' and take an even larger pleasure in not bothering to turn up.
I find it f**king hilarious how literal you took that imaginary draft post, not to mention your inability to think for a second that it could be changed to once a month so that people like you who can't structure their lives to fit in an hour a week somewhere have enough ample time so you don't feel like you actually have to work at being a police officer, and so your favoured TDM server still has your blue name when you next log in.
Can you give me some SMG ammo btw? I hear shooting orange dots running away with automatic weapons is good sport these days.
Don't lecture me, you childish fool.Due to the nature of my studies, I cannot stick to a schedule. I'd be forced to resign if there was a scheduled mandatory training every week, as I may not be able to attend.
Why on earth would you resign?
I would personally take great pleasure in acknowledging this 'mandatory training,' and take an even larger pleasure in not bothering to turn up.
I find it f**king hilarious how literal you took that imaginary draft post, not to mention your inability to think for a second that it could be changed to once a month so that people like you who can't structure their lives to fit in an hour a week somewhere have enough ample time so you don't feel like you actually have to work at being a police officer, and so your favoured TDM server still has your blue name when you next log in.
Can you give me some SMG ammo btw? I hear shooting orange dots running away with automatic weapons is good sport these days.
I graduated a few days after you babe<3Yeah, how it is now:
- Print off codes
- Write down exactly what the instructor says
- Use notes during exam
= pass
I printed codes in my officer exam too! :lol:
Don't tell me that's new... i did that with every session i got when i joined the Academy... :D :rofl:
But in the olden sessions, the academy send you the session review in full detail via forum pm.
Oliver I have to admit that some of these points are true, yet you put it in a fully wrong way, instead of making a proper full with evidence and ect... statement, sending it to Pancher as you know he is fully experienced and capable to deal with it, you come here making well not whining, but close to it topic. If you see something wrong then contact straight the chief of police, after all he is the most experienced member of SAPD and the one capable to deal with this.Here is the main problem with SAPD these days - none of the command staff wants anything to be public. Everything HAS to be behind closed doors, where there is no public scrutiny and no way for there to be any criticism. Wanna know my opinion of this?
Speeding when not reacting to a crime.I'm sorry, but this is bullshit. You are playing a Grand Theft Auto game, not some bullshit racing game or something where you need to be serious. DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR? Honestly? You've got to be shitting me. Go to SA:MP General, look at Funny Chat Logs, and you will see that all of these things you have posted are traditional parts of this server and this police force. If you start getting people into trouble for these tiny little things then you will find a LOT of people finding it difficult to work in the boundaries of the SAPD, and leaving or simply going inactive...
Reckless driving.
Driving on pavements (sidewalks).
Driving on wrong side of road without due cause.
Abuse of police siren when not required.
Obstructing traffic without cause.
Shooting standing still suspect
Driving a non marked vehicle
Exceeding weapon usage
Disgusting behaviour
... and more.
If you are guilty of such violation, you will be taken to the Chief's office and we will discuss it there RPly'd instead of the easy punishing way.
One other thing is, lets just say all of you guys are imaginary SAPD Chiefs. How are you going to bring the 'old' days? I'm am not quite sure what 'old' days you are talking about. I don't even get how 'old' days relate to anything to the future. Because either way, our job is to serve and protect. Not just some 'old' days thing you guys were in with your friends and such. Because guess what, every single thing in life changes. Everything slightly changes for more interest and movement.If I was a SAPD Chief, I'd be overhauling the application process, reworking SWAT, removing all official sub-groups, actually ensuring that every department has the proper amount of command staff - who are actually properly fitted to the job (i'm not even going to bother naming names, but at least half of the command staff are under this sweeping statement), and making sure that every single unit feels as if they are an integral part of the team. Wanna know why DPD succeeded so much in 2007/8 and in 2009/10 when I was leading it? Because I was inclusive, I made the right decisions on promotions and I ensured that no sub-group gained too much power. Wanna know why SAPD was so desireable up until 2011? Because it was an exclusive force of highly trained invidiuals who worked perfectly in a team, led by well trained and appropriate leaders. All of the above, we are lacking today.
'Old days' ..........
Focus on the future, plans are welcomed.
Sorry James but I am not gonna stand back and let you even so much as suggest - even if it is only a draft designed to show proof of concept - that we should be doing any of this bullshit robot RP shit. People should be promoted based on their skill and experience - NOT in some time schedule, and nobody should be forced to go to any kind of training - if you cannot make your units WANT to be trained, then what will forcing them to do it achieve? Nothing. If someone doesn't wanna do it, then they won't. This is a game. Nobody will be forced into doing anything like that. In fact, not only is this a game, it is a ROLEPLAY server, which means IMAGINATION, which means people will NOT stand for such bullshit schedules. If you want that, go to some RLRP server and become chief of their police, or maybe go to play some other game where you can be a 1337 cop with his super cop ideas.One other thing is, lets just say all of you guys are imaginary SAPD Chiefs. How are you going to bring the 'old' days? I'm am not quite sure what 'old' days you are talking about.My fake re-work, documentation and announcement of the SAPD with this imaginary position in mind:-San Andreas Police Department
To serve & protect."The rehabilitation of respect behind the department you serve, and the common goal of achieving a system that rewards team-work, tactics and initiative."
It has finally come to the attention of command, that our Officers have been empowered to the state where the national guard would consider the enforcement to be out of control, and a state of unannounced martial law has been effectively in place in our reign over the populace that we once stood up proud to assist and protect. Therefore from this monumental point onward, the SAPD will strive to condition itself for a better experience for both the players, and the officers.
I. The resource pool of the department.
II. The armoury and weaponry of the department.
III. The management of sub-divisions.
IV. Mandatory one-day-a-week training program.
V. Clear rank progression goals.
VI. The complete re-work of SWAT.
I. The resource pool of the department.
With effective immediately, the following management changes are to be made;
- The removal of "golf carts" from the SAPD garages.
- The removal of all but two buffalo high-speed pursuit vehicles at major SAPD headquarters.
- The policy of returning a squad-car to the garage after use, else fines will be issued.
The community needs the reassurances of squad-cars patrolling their roads, unmarked vehicles are not a deterrence and they encourage poor quality vehicle handling during multiple responding cars chasing down a suspect on the run.
II. The armoury and weaponry of the department.
The Wild West has had less shots fired then the State of Argonath, and therefore the following restrictions are now in place:-
- Unarmed suspects on the run cannot be fired upon, unless they have previously shot at the Officer.
- The command /weaponequip may only be used under approval of a Lieutenant or higher, and only at major scenes.
- The mismatched equipment that Officers have taken to wearing across the state should be checked in with a more senior officer, to see if you look presentable for the community (hats, vests, etc).
III. The management of sub-divisions.
Sub-divisions are still actively encouraged among the SAPD, how-ever private ranking systems can no longer be implemented, you must carry out the responsibilities you have been trained to undertake and not assume the mantle unless clearly ready to engage in such, with written permission from command staff. You must also present a monthly report to this public board to demonstrate that your group is providing the community with a boon, and that officers are being correctly taught under your watch.
Furthermore if you are called to purpose for regular duties away from your sub-division, you are first and foremost an SAPD officer and this always takes priority.
IV. Mandatory one-day-a-week training program.
As command has finally realized that we have such an abundance of staff eagerly ready to prove themselves, or find themselves in a more suitable position, the mandatory SAPD officer training and upkeep program has finally been realized and put to use, effective immediately, every Saturday evening at 6.00pm GMT!
- Community policing; handling the various ethnics of the population of San Andreas.
- Pursuits; rolling blockades in numbers when in a vehicle chase. (Be shown that you don't need a buffalo to do police work, get more pride from it).
- Escalation drills; when to react with aggression and when not to.
- First Response Units; find out what to do when you are all alone and first to a major situation.
- The '4 C's'; discover what it means to - clear, cordon, control, confirm, and just how effective this simple method is to tactical policing in any situation.
- Tactical Movement; gain insight to basic tactical movement during a shoot out or house clearence
This list will be updated over time and not all of it can be covered every training session, but areas will be focused upon instead - command staff can select what they think needs to be worked on, but everything needs to be covered at least once a month from each department.
V. Clear rank progression goals.
The commanding elements recognize our Officers desires to progress and show achievement, therefore the following stages have been implemented to show you just how to reach the rank of Senior Officer, and what to do if you want to move on further then that.
White Phase
1. Demonstrate basic road knowledge for your city.
2. Conduct radio communication through codes.
3. Display a continual outward respect to the community, even when it barks and bites at you.
4. Maintain good vehicle driving skills, be seen to keep to the limits.
Red Phase
1. Attend at least one month of training weekends, as talked about in IV.
2. Present the attitude of "exhaust all options" before engaging a suspect with a fire-arm. All life is to be protected. Innocent UNTIL proven guilty.
3. Demonstrate the willingness to work with a team, how-ever small, even if just for a blockade.
4. Consider the use of Teamspeak, even if just to listen to reports (optional).
Yellow Phase
1. Attend at least two months of training weekends, as talked about in IV.
2. Be seen to actively mentor new officers to the ways of the SAPD.
3. Demonstrate initiative and control blockades on your own, as shown during training.
4. Understand that all this is to your benefit, await to be approached regarding rank, do not seek it.
Blue Phase
1. Maintain the status you are now at, for you will soon be recognized as an asset to the SAPD.
VI. The complete re-work of SWAT.
Reworking SWAT in to a tactical response team, to encourage organized roleplayers crime and create a genuinely enjoyable situation for all, not a death squad that squawks insults and creates a clique. I'll leave it at that, to avoid flaming, and if you really want me to show you i'll put together a film to make it blindingly obvious - but just follow these guys around for a day and you'll see just how great they are ... at killing people.
I did that all in about 40min? I didn't even extensively research or apply trains of thought, you ask what the "old days" are? It's when people had nerve to actually be strong of character and enforce some sort of cohesive team throughout the police force, today it's really sad - and so when you hear the "old days"? That's what people are referring toward. P.S - a one month long application process? Oxford university replies quicker!
If you are going to post such a comments, then at least get your facts straight.That is bullshit. One month and 15 days can NOT be the fastest applicant, and I highly doubt that you looked through 4-5 pages to check this fact. I suggest that someone else double checks this instead of blankly accepting Plam's suggestion.
I took the initiative to check this one, the fastest application took exactly... 1 month and 15 days.
Which I count as one month and half, as well it seems that you fully support what people have said and yet you unlike them say it should be longer, when your favourite commentators are saying it should be about the skills, not about the time. Now we all respect the criticism part, but lets not make up facts shall we ?
It is easier indeed. My academy was based on practise + UNDERSTANDING the theory. It's not a problem to know all the codes. You can print a sheet of paper and you pass whole theory.You would be a fool to disagree with FlameMan. He was academy chief for a reason - he knew his shit. When I became academy chief, I stuck to his structure very closely because it was the best that the SAPD has ever had. Wanna know how I got into SAPD in 2007? I asked RON for a position and he made me DPD Captain. I didn't have to do any of this stuff, and I regret it. I was probably a terrible field officer back then - I specialised in forum work and organisation. Now, however, through five years of experience, I'm one of the best field officers this organisation has, as well as one of the most skilled and able. I blame this on my work with the academy and FlameMan's model. For it to properly work, you must work with your cadets and teach them by example. In doing so, I gained vital skills and knowledge as I was teaching the very things to the cadets.
My exams were difficult to pass even with everything printed. Examiners that were taught by me knew that the point of whole exam is to prove whether candidate understands the law, procedures and codes.
In example, does he know what codes he could use to express "responding to the situation" (code 2, 3, 10-76)? Does he understand the difference between those codes? Does he understand situations and how to behave point by point? Currently officers dont know what to do if suspect is not moving in a car. They start to shoot. It was one of the examination questions, and the proper answer was only one - one officer keeps aiming at the vehicle, and second one drags suspect out of it. If candidate couldn't "catch a drift" I was asking helping questions, like "are you allowed to drag suspect out?" or if I wanted to trick him "are you allowed to carjack suspect in such situation?". It was really, really based on the understanding of the law.
And that was the theoretical part, consisting of three stages (Codes, rules/laws/procedures, situations).
Practical part was more complex:
1) Map knowledge (driving from point A to B, with additional checking knowledge of the basic codes), e.g. Code 3 to Montgomery, Code 2 to Playa del Seville, 10-76 to Las Barrancas, etc etc.
2) Fighting (nightstick fight at Fort Carson cinema)
3) Shooting (at Fort Carson cinema)
4) Driving (two stages: first checked during the map knowledge, if officer is following the traffic law, second - roleplayed chase with examiner)
5) Regular patrol with examiner
That's the difference.
Ladies and Gentlemans, Dont look any further. We've found our perfect man.
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You wanna talk to me about leadership mr. Constantly ditching every role he's ever had, time and time again, without warning, to play other servers or other games, leaving his men in disarray?Ladies and Gentlemans, Dont look any further. We've found our perfect man.
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Yeah! So much hot air we don't even need to pay the heating bill any more; the perfect man - for a warm house. GiacJr has never amounted any work beyond being a regular cop among the background, and just admitted to asking for a rank and being given something completely out of the blue, a prime example of the laughable achievement it takes to get rank around here.
Giac, your a good cop - but you're not a leader, and you don't understand the concept at all, it doesn't force people in to roles they wouldn't enjoy, in fact the only reason you spat at was the mention of mandatory training, take that away and you've not said diddly-squat about anything else going on there. Why do you think SAPD was so successful in the past? It had procedures in place, just like the ones that where wrote up, and god did those few rules go such a long way.
GiacJr: "Incoherent babbling sentence amidst tears of frustration."
I have to agreed with Giac on the "Report to Officer" thing, i just "FTW" with once i heard it from someone, some days ago..So people can steal more out of SAPD(ARPD) ;) ;)
Argonath has always been public regarding things like this, but the ARPD(SAPD Actually, its the only one) starts to hide and hide..
Do not close the public more and more out - open more up to them..
From what I see the "old days" people are fighting how SAPD should have been, more then how it was.
I guess so far what each one of you posted is your vision how it should look like, not how it used to look like.
No offense, but you couldn't pass/wait trough the reinstatement proceess in this "wreckage". You gave up on the road to there, yet you say how easy it is to enter SAPD these days and how SAPD is a "wreckage" ?
No offense, but you couldn't pass/wait trough the reinstatement proceess in this "wreckage". You gave up on the road to there, yet you say how easy it is to enter SAPD these days and how SAPD is a "wreckage" ?
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No offense, but you couldn't pass/wait trough the reinstatement proceess in this "wreckage". You gave up on the road to there, yet you say how easy it is to enter SAPD these days and how SAPD is a "wreckage" ?
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Quote me where I said "SAPD is easy to enter these days.", go and find the post and quote it to me - because it sounds to me like you just made that sentence up. You pick and choose what's comfortable to your situation, for example Rare ~ booted out for misconduct, re-applys and is back in within the week. Other reinstatement requests have been waiting for longer than a month, and you make that obvious clique-like attitude justification and means for why I wasn't accepted? Hilarious - don't try to pacify hard facts with picking and choosing.
-1 If we're score keeping, Cyril - better luck next time, see you at the finals? Mong.
You keep on saying how bad everything except your work, yourself and everything you touch is. That just says enough of how trustworthy any suggestions coming out of you is.
You keep on saying how bad everything except your work, yourself and everything you touch is. That just says enough of how trustworthy any suggestions coming out of you is.
No, that's just your opinion and it's like an ass hole, everyone has one - don't get upset because mine doesn't agree with yours. Credit is due to where it is actually due, and like Giac said, half of the command staff aren't worth the tip of a hat.
You can laugh as much as you wish,but the truth is the truth,people who just came back from 2 years inactive going in-game to provoke SWAT and post patrol report doesn't deserve place in SAPD.
Close friends ? We are SAPD. We all work together each days..
No, you need to make up your mind and not start to shit on SAPD beacuse you didn't get accepted yet.
Really would like to see you chasing 10 heavy armed criminals on NRG with your RP without dieing 10 times.
You and your little friends need to stop shitting on SWAT. You and your friends attempt to provoke us everyday we are on combat patrol by hanging around our HQ, trying to gain access inside our HQ and for what? To which hunt obviously.
You can laugh as much as you wish,but the truth is the truth,people who just came back from 2 years inactive going in-game to provoke SWAT and post patrol report doesn't deserve place in SAPD.
In other words, for you illiterates - you're full of shit.
Nothing more to say, 1 picture is like 1,000 words.In other words, for you illiterates - you're full of shit.
I think you are full of shit.
We have proof to backup our accusation (:
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The funniest thing is that you were being spectated the entire time:
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In other words, for you illiterates - you're full of shit.
I think you are full of shit.
We have proof to backup our accusation (:
http://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy342/Talalz0r/George%20Jetson/sa-mp-141-2.png (http://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy342/Talalz0r/George%20Jetson/sa-mp-141-2.png)
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The funniest thing is that you were being spectated the entire time:
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You and your little friends need to stop shitting on SWAT. You and your friends attempt to provoke us everyday we are on combat patrol by hanging around our HQ, trying to gain access inside our HQ and for what? To which hunt obviously.
Why dont you make a RP team James and chase suspects with RP if thats what you like to do?
Why dont you make a RP team James and chase suspects with RP if thats what you like to do?
I am happy to see you laughing,really I do.Why dont you make a RP team James and chase suspects with RP if thats what you like to do?
yes gd officer ser i have alredy said i will chase them with my rp u r so wise and all good knowing in police :>>>
Call me when you'll handle 4 heavy armed cop-killers with your RP-thingy.
Triamph to what? Being thugs more? Oh please :)
"Sorry to piss on your head","I withdrew my application", nothing from those answer to our replies.Triamph to what? Being thugs more? Oh please :)
If you want to celebrate that be my guest, at least you're being honest now.
P.S ~ AirOrel, I withdrew my application, sorry to piss on your head. Er, I mean rain on your parade.
P.P.S ~ Cyril, my team can do it against twenty swarming a block in a code purple, a riot, a 207 hostage situation - you name it and we'll control it, there's even videos on youtube, i'll see if I can get an old SWAT member to give me the links, then you'll be what's described as "EATING YOUR OWN WORDS."
Just take for example your attitue now James after being rejected.
"In the past". Yeah, it probably worked in 2008. What about you do the same today and tell us the result ? Easy to refer to the past, when the community has changed.
As I said the criminals in the past are not like the criminals today,so of course the cops in the past are not like the cops now.
"In the past". Yeah, it probably worked in 2008. What about you do the same today and tell us the result ? Easy to refer to the past, when the community has changed.
The point was to prove that, and we would've done if not for the apparent fear of becoming unpopular that commanding elements had to give it a try.
"In the past". Yeah, it probably worked in 2008. What about you do the same today and tell us the result ? Easy to refer to the past, when the community has changed.
The point was to prove that, and we would've done if not for the apparent fear of becoming unpopular that commanding elements had to give it a try.
You can still do it. Join the server, team up with who ever you want, and show us a video.
On the contrary. It was decided that firing all leaders based on your view that you want your own friends in command positions was not how we work."In the past". Yeah, it probably worked in 2008. What about you do the same today and tell us the result ? Easy to refer to the past, when the community has changed.
The point was to prove that, and we would've done if not for the apparent fear of becoming unpopular that commanding elements had to give it a try, thus the application sat stagnant for over a month whilst nothing happened, and I was not returning to sit around and be permitted to do -nothing-.
Nothing much to say ,Except agreedOn the contrary. It was decided that firing all leaders based on your view that you want your own friends in command positions was not how we work."In the past". Yeah, it probably worked in 2008. What about you do the same today and tell us the result ? Easy to refer to the past, when the community has changed.
The point was to prove that, and we would've done if not for the apparent fear of becoming unpopular that commanding elements had to give it a try, thus the application sat stagnant for over a month whilst nothing happened, and I was not returning to sit around and be permitted to do -nothing-.
Nothing much to say
On the contrary. It was decided that firing all leaders based on your view that you want your own friends in command positions was not how we work."In the past". Yeah, it probably worked in 2008. What about you do the same today and tell us the result ? Easy to refer to the past, when the community has changed.
The point was to prove that, and we would've done if not for the apparent fear of becoming unpopular that commanding elements had to give it a try, thus the application sat stagnant for over a month whilst nothing happened, and I was not returning to sit around and be permitted to do -nothing-.
If James_Hunter would have been willing to work with the system as provided and decided by the Government, he would have been welcome. The system he was leading in the past was working while there were active leaders (mostly himself) and failed due to being too restrictive as soon as he left.
It can be also friends, but the problem is, they are WILLING to improve things.. It can be also enemies or some other people, but if they are working hard and WILLING to help whole system, this is awesome.
SWAT work is based on:
Responding to kidnap situation.
Responding to heavy C30
Responding to situations when SAPD can't handle it on their own.
Responding to high protection of president, and all high diplomacy.
Responding to barricated situation when civilian is in danger by guns or any other threats, bombs etc.
I never SWAT in high speed vehicles chasing anyone, correct me if I'm wrong. SWAT can respond also in SWAT ranchers, which you are able to /weaponequip.
To go back to a system that already failed was not correct, and also allowing rogue groups seems to attract trouble more than help.