SAPD today - a rant

[Ben]

That, my dear Deputy Chief, is progress. You seem to have missed it.

A prime example of how sub-division monthly reports would serve to benefit command, because right now - practically everything goes unseen.

III. The management of sub-divisions.

Refer to it if you don't understand.

Colleague, ACS was formed merely weeks ago, and had to be approved by the Deputy Chief, Chief, and the President. Surely, they should know how strict it is already?

[Reece]

Fortnightly publications from ACS can be expected to be posed both here and the main forums. - Was already part of the plan

Paul, ACS are not drunkards 

[Chief J. Schappell]

Which is why this is complete bullshit. At least for SA:MP anyway. Read up and think about it yourself before you come up with some essay reply.

Otherwise: you want improvement? The only players I saw on the forums willing to put some effort into it, is command staff and some ARPD cops like the BCSD.

If you bothered to read what I said instead of attacking my post, I clearly stated that it was not all users that were the reason why it was difficult to bring back.

No one ever said I wasn't allowed an essay reply. Don't like it? Don't read or reply to it. Pure and simple.

[Ben]

That made me laugh 

Though an ARPD group, the Command Staff are mainly SAPD Cadets+, and have all been in the SAPD at one time or another! That suggests to me that, as BCSD is running happily, SAPD non-command are actually doing their job properly. Thanks for the support Jcs, though unknowingly

[[Rstar]Paul]

That, my dear Deputy Chief, is progress. You seem to have missed it.

A prime example of how sub-division monthly reports would serve to benefit command, because right now - practically everything goes unseen.

III. The management of sub-divisions.

Refer to it if you don't understand.

Colleague, ACS was formed merely weeks ago, and had to be approved by the Deputy Chief, Chief, and the President. Surely, they should know how strict it is already?

Fortnightly publications from ACS can be expected to be posed both here and the main forums. - Was already part of the plan

Paul, ACS are not drunkards 

We expected it to be more Sheriff-istic as in roleplay'd drunkin Sheriff, but as long it interests you all on how ACS is going at the moment, that's spanking great .

[Ben]

No spanking!

* Ben has bad memories

[FlameMan]

Academy is currently developing new proposals in order to improve it. We are focusing on making more practical sessions than theoretical so that there is a movement made.

I got my badge after three days and my final exam consisted of driving captain Flameman from point A to point B, saying what 10-4 means and shooting some posts near Fort Carson. Since I was seen to be doing a good job as a freecop, I was brought into the force extremely quickly and ended up doing a lot of work as soon as I received my badge.
The academy is supposed to weed out the sloths and train the unprepared, but what the academy has become is 'Wait 5 days to do a session, then wait 2 days to do another one'. If someone's ready to become an officer and is putting in excellent work, he shouldn't be forced to sit on his ass for days just so he can do a session an infant could do.

Duuuude, I remember that! So cool to see that you remember your officer exam I've got all my training programmes saved on the computer
Paul, if you want to see how the old training looked like, I can meet you ingame and show everything. I remember all training process, because I personally created it.

[Joseph_Allen]

If I remember right, in one of the 9 lessons of 2 academy system editions away we had this small but important sentence which goes like this;

"Apprehending the subject is our main goal, eliminating the subject is a last resort choice"

As it should be.

With that example in mind, given chasing a suspect who is on foot: a proper SAPD Officer would opt to pursue said suspect with Nightsticks, Pepper Spray and even an occasional bump (as I like to call them: "lovetap") from a Cruiser rather than simply gun him down?

Also, I read James' plan on SAPD's reform. My only qualm at the moment would be the mandatory once-a-week training program. What about some of us Officers who are on during the server's "downtimes"? (I live at around +8:00 GMT, meaning that I'm active when the server has around  25 - 50 people. I normally sign off when the server starts becoming active.)

P.S. I have the same reason as Ben.

[Ben]

Due to the nature of my studies, I cannot stick to a schedule. I'd be forced to resign if there was a scheduled mandatory training every week, as I may not be able to attend.

[[R*]EliteTerm]

What's wrong with Caddies?

[Julio.]

Due to the nature of my studies, I cannot stick to a schedule. I'd be forced to resign if there was a scheduled mandatory training every week, as I may not be able to attend.

Why on earth would you resign?

I would personally take great pleasure in acknowledging this 'mandatory training,' and take an even larger pleasure in not bothering to turn up.

[Renz0]

I made 9 sessions + officer exam back in april 2011.

Go through my application and you will see. Some of it were, if i remember good:

1.Radio Communication
2. Detention / Investigation / Interrogation
3. Weapon Safety protocol

and few others.

These made me MONTH to study hard. Nowadays, you will be officer like after 2 weeks.

[Plam Knight]

I made 9 sessions + officer exam back in april 2011.

Go through my application and you will see. Some of it were, if i remember good:

1.Radio Communication
2. Detention / Investigation / Interrogation
3. Weapon Safety protocol

and few others.

These made me MONTH to study hard. Nowadays, you will be officer like after 2 weeks.

If you are going to post such a comments, then at least get your facts straight.
I took the initiative to check this one, the fastest application took exactly... 1 month and 15 days.
Which I count as one month and half, as well it seems that you fully support what people have said and yet you unlike them say it should be longer, when your favourite commentators are saying it should be about the skills, not about the time. Now we all respect the criticism part, but lets not make up facts shall we ?

[[Rstar]Paul]

What's wrong with Caddies?

I don't know really..... i think some may take it as a non-realistic police transporter whilst argonath is a world of its own.

I made 9 sessions + officer exam back in april 2011.

Go through my application and you will see. Some of it were, if i remember good:

1.Radio Communication
2. Detention / Investigation / Interrogation
3. Weapon Safety protocol

and few others.

These made me MONTH to study hard. Nowadays, you will be officer like after 2 weeks.

And in these '2 weeks' as you presume - they get taught 6 sessions which concludes the whole process of the academy.
There are still SAPD applications which are still existing which were made about one month ago [+/-] and are still in the application process.
If you ask why.... then you might wanna consider that we will be watching applicants and reviewing them for some time until we get a good image of them. Hopefully this will reduce complaining against these future SAPD officers. 

But what is your point?

[Ben]

Due to the nature of my studies, I cannot stick to a schedule. I'd be forced to resign if there was a scheduled mandatory training every week, as I may not be able to attend.

Why on earth would you resign?

I would personally take great pleasure in acknowledging this 'mandatory training,' and take an even larger pleasure in not bothering to turn up.

* Ben hides his face in his palm

I don't really want to be fired...though you make a good point

[Julio.]

But what is your point?

He's saying it's easier now.

I personally agree.

[[Rstar]Paul]

But what is your point?

He's saying it's easier now.

I personally agree.

I don't see anything easier 

Maybe it's those who are Officers+ within the SAPD already know about it? But the in-experienced will find it hard who are just cadets at the moment..

I can surely guarantee that the academy will give them tones of knowledge, but at times we do not see that unless we stick with them as much as we can. The academy is hard on how it is at the moment?, atleast for those who still have not gone through the process yet...

[Plam Knight]

But what is your point?

He's saying it's easier now.

I personally agree.

Okay how is it easier ?

[FlameMan]

But what is your point?

He's saying it's easier now.

I personally agree.

Okay how is it easier ?

It is easier indeed. My academy was based on practise + UNDERSTANDING the theory. It's not a problem to know all the codes. You can print a sheet of paper and you pass whole theory.
My exams were difficult to pass even with everything printed. Examiners that were taught by me knew that the point of whole exam is to prove whether candidate understands the law, procedures and codes.
In example, does he know what codes he could use to express "responding to the situation" (code 2, 3, 10-76)? Does he understand the difference between those codes? Does he understand situations and how to behave point by point? Currently officers dont know what to do if suspect is not moving in a car. They start to shoot. It was one of the examination questions, and the proper answer was only one - one officer keeps aiming at the vehicle, and second one drags suspect out of it. If candidate couldn't "catch a drift" I was asking helping questions, like "are you allowed to drag suspect out?" or if I wanted to trick him "are you allowed to carjack suspect in such situation?". It was really, really based on the understanding of the law.

And that was the theoretical part, consisting of three stages (Codes, rules/laws/procedures, situations).
Practical part was more complex:
1) Map knowledge (driving from point A to B, with additional checking knowledge of the basic codes), e.g. Code 3 to Montgomery, Code 2 to Playa del Seville, 10-76 to Las Barrancas, etc etc.
2) Fighting (nightstick fight at Fort Carson cinema)
3) Shooting (at Fort Carson cinema)
4) Driving (two stages: first checked during the map knowledge, if officer is following the traffic law, second - roleplayed chase with examiner)
5) Regular patrol with examiner

That's the difference.

[Bert]

But what is your point?

He's saying it's easier now.

I personally agree.

Okay how is it easier ?

It is easier indeed. My academy was based on practise + UNDERSTANDING the theory. It's not a problem to know all the codes. You can print a sheet of paper and you pass whole theory.
My exams were difficult to pass even with everything printed. Examiners that were taught by me knew that the point of whole exam is to prove whether candidate understands the law, procedures and codes.
In example, does he know what codes he could use to express "responding to the situation" (code 2, 3, 10-76)? Does he understand the difference between those codes? Does he understand situations and how to behave point by point? Currently officers dont know what to do if suspect is not moving in a car. They start to shoot. It was one of the examination questions, and the proper answer was only one - one officer keeps aiming at the vehicle, and second one drags suspect out of it. If candidate couldn't "catch a drift" I was asking helping questions, like "are you allowed to drag suspect out?" or if I wanted to trick him "are you allowed to carjack suspect in such situation?". It was really, really based on the understanding of the law.

And that was the theoretical part, consisting of three stages (Codes, rules/laws/procedures, situations).
Practical part was more complex:
1) Map knowledge (driving from point A to B, with additional checking knowledge of the basic codes), e.g. Code 3 to Montgomery, Code 2 to Playa del Seville, 10-76 to Las Barrancas, etc etc.
2) Fighting (nightstick fight at Fort Carson cinema)
3) Shooting (at Fort Carson cinema)
4) Driving (two stages: first checked during the map knowledge, if officer is following the traffic law, second - roleplayed chase with examiner)
5) Regular patrol with examiner

That's the difference.

That's how I became an Officer for the first time