Somewhat of a more realistic structure

[Chief J. Schappell]

I'm referring to forum ranks, not IG ranks.

What do forum ranks have to do with anything? Cadet, Officer, Senior Officer, Sergeant, Lieutenant, Captain, Deputy Chief, Chief. They haven't changed either, just the organization of them.

Lol you don't have access to the full list. Trust me, it's a mess in there. The admin panel scares me...

[Boozman]

I'm referring to forum ranks, not IG ranks.

What do forum ranks have to do with anything? Cadet, Officer, Senior Officer, Sergeant, Lieutenant, Captain, Deputy Chief, Chief. They haven't changed either, just the organization of them.

Lol you don't have access to the full list. Trust me, it's a mess in there. The admin panel scares me...

What are you talking about, I can see all the entire list of membergroups.

[Chief J. Schappell]

I'm referring to forum ranks, not IG ranks.

What do forum ranks have to do with anything? Cadet, Officer, Senior Officer, Sergeant, Lieutenant, Captain, Deputy Chief, Chief. They haven't changed either, just the organization of them.

Lol you don't have access to the full list. Trust me, it's a mess in there. The admin panel scares me...

What are you talking about, I can see all the entire list of membergroups.

Your rank only allows you to see the ones you can set users to in their profiles. There's many, many more in the admin panel. It's a nightmare :P

[Boozman]

I'm referring to forum ranks, not IG ranks.

What do forum ranks have to do with anything? Cadet, Officer, Senior Officer, Sergeant, Lieutenant, Captain, Deputy Chief, Chief. They haven't changed either, just the organization of them.

Lol you don't have access to the full list. Trust me, it's a mess in there. The admin panel scares me...

What are you talking about, I can see all the entire list of membergroups.

Your rank only allows you to see the ones you can set users to in their profiles. There's many, many more in the admin panel. It's a nightmare :P

INCORRECT. Though I can only set 3 different membergroups, I can see all the existing membergroups.

[Chief J. Schappell]

* Chief J. Schappell facepalms...

[Boozman]

* Chief J. Schappell facepalms...

umad?

[Chief J. Schappell]

No. This is way off-topic...

[Ben]

Hehe I think Boozman won that one 

[Hank_Rafferty]

Jack i ask you only once, dont stick your nose into the SAPD Command business... and take care of your Miami Vice city town folk deparment. SAPD rank structure is good as it is.

[J. Prilo]

Miami Vice city town folk deparment

MVCTFD Officer Aksel 

[Chief J. Schappell]

Jack i ask you only once, dont stick your nose into the SAPD Command business... and take care of your Miami Vice city town folk deparment. SAPD rank structure is good as it is.

The discussion had nothing to do with SAPD-specific information, it was about all the PD's in general, so please don't provoke me. Flaming my department is also not appreciated. I am not trying to pick any fights here... ><

[Boozman]

Jack i ask you only once, dont stick your nose into the SAPD Command business... and take care of your Miami Vice city town folk deparment. SAPD rank structure is good as it is.

The discussion had nothing to do with SAPD-specific information, it was about all the PD's in general, so please don't provoke me. Flaming my department is also not appreciated. I am not trying to pick any fights here... ><

What the hell are you even talking about? Look at the first post, he's clearly talking about SAPD. Because last time I checked, Vice City doesn't have an LSPD.

And how in the f**king world is what Hank said even remotely a Provoke/Flame? Just because you waltzed into the position of "Vice City Chief" doesn't mean you have power over any one over here. You manage your 5 Officers and let Hank manage his 100+ Staff, Chief Schappell.

[Chief J. Schappell]

I said the discussion, not the topic. It became something overall when we spoke about the forums.

Also, I walked into the conversation as a SAPD Officer. He assumed I was throwing rank around. Regardless of department size, that is no reason to be provoking me like that. That goes for you as well. I can't help that MTA:VC is less active than SA:MP, but that doesn't mean it's not work in itself.

@Hank: Let's just agree to disagree at this point. We obviously have different views, but now that I think about it, I'd rather not let it get in the way of our jobs. Maybe we could speak sometime privately and discuss things?

By the way Boozman, for the record, I didn't "waltz" into my position. I've been an ARPD officer in that server longer than you've known about Argonath. I have also been actively trying to get Ber to update VCPD for years, which is why I was promoted so quickly. If you're for some reason mad or jealous, then tell me, but stop acting like I was just given the rank.

[Boozman]

If you're for some reason mad or jealous, then tell me, but stop acting like I was just given the rank.

LOL

[Chief J. Schappell]

I don't see why you're laughing. You obviously are upset over my rank for one reason or another. Anyway, I'm not going to take this any farther off-topic, so can we please get back to the discussion?

[Boozman]

I don't see why you're laughing. You obviously are upset over my rank for one reason or another. Anyway, I'm not going to take this any farther off-topic, so can we please get back to the discussion?

Yes, I'm upset, let me tell you. And yes, enough about the deserted city, let's talk about good 'ol San Andreas

[Chief J. Schappell]

Once again, let's get back on topic. Stop provoking me.

[Boozman]

Once again, let's get back on topic. Stop provoking me.

You're the one who started the who Vice City thing, so why are you saying I'm provoking?
You brought the Vice City into the conversation, not us.

And why is ever response on damn near every topic provoking against you? Clearly you cannot take being wrong and call it provoking.
But hey, that's you. I could care less. But you were in fact the one who brought us off topic.

ON TOPIC: What's wrong with the ranks? I think the way it is is fine. Each department has a command structure, so essentially there is an LSPD Captain, LSPD Lieutenant, LVPD Lieutenant, etc. But I think Chief's for the entire SAPD works fine, that way there is one centralized rank (technically two) over the entire SAPD. Keeps things in order to be honest.

[Chief J. Schappell]

Once again, let's get back on topic.

@The ranks: Again, I'm not talking about the actual IG ranks. I'm just talking about the forum ones. The ones that mirror the IG ones are fine. It's the misc ranks, as well as the repeating or bugged ranks, that bother me.

Edit: Was rereading the old posts. Just wanted to clarify what I meant since it seems that no one is clearly understanding what I meant.

I'm referring to forum ranks, not IG ranks.

What do forum ranks have to do with anything? Cadet, Officer, Senior Officer, Sergeant, Lieutenant, Captain, Deputy Chief, Chief. They haven't changed either, just the organization of them.

What I'm speaking of doesn't mean those ranks specifically. It means the other ones, as well as the organization of those ranks, that is causing the problems. Just as an example, prior to me fixing the VCPD ranks on the forum, I noticed that in order for ANY rank above Officer to see the VCPD boards, they had to have the VCPD Officer rank as a secondary rank. This was granting the wrong permissions, and making ranks dependent on each other, which is not how it should work. Later on, I discovered and fixed a bug with one of the SAPD ranks also being able to see the VCPD board for unknown reasons, but this only affected that rank specifically. What I'm trying to say is that the organization of these ranks is an issue. Recently, I've witnessed ranks being renamed from things like "SAPD Officer (SA:MP)" to "SAPD Officer", with a secondary rank of "SA:MP", back to "[SA:MP] SAPD Officer". There are also misc ranks for former groups and boards that are no longer used, not to mention undercover ranks which are not being allowed to be used because of the new "open view" policy of the boards between departments.

I've personally made suggestions to solve it, but the other command staff members are afraid it would close off some things between departments, which I've yet to see how if properly implemented, but that's just my opinion. I honestly would just like to see them be cleaned up. It is a bit out of control, and it has gotten to a point where user rights are also becoming slightly bugged due to the Chiefs' limited administration abilities on the forum. I have a new suggestion if anyone is willing to hear it, but again, I don't want to start anything that is going to anger anyone. The current IG ranks are fine, I see no issue with those. It's just the organization of the forum ranks that bothers me.

Second Edit: If someone from Command Staff would rather me make a new topic about this, let me know. It's somewhat relative to the topic, but after thinking about it, I don't want to spin things in the wrong direction if this topic is conflicting with the original post too much.

[Boozman]

It's somewhat relative to the topic, but after thinking about it, I don't want to spin things in the wrong direction if this topic is conflicting with the original post too much.

Now you're thinking.