San Andreas Police Department | Q&A

[Pingster]

So uh back to this topic.
I remember Sushi changed this to account for the Constitution, so that manslaughter in self-defense would be unsuspected if valid proof was given... Yet it's changed back for some reason?

[2] Investigations:
Investigations are performed when you need to further delve what happened at a scene of a crime or situation. Much of the time, it is when a suspect requests it in an attempt to be unsuspected. Keep in mind, anything that results in manslaughter, regardless of self-defense or accidental will not be unsuspected.

Act XIX: Defence of propriety and belonging is authorized. Any destruction of private propriety or any damages caused to it is of criminal resort. However if a citizen kills another citizen while defending his propriety, he shall be trialed for use of unreasonable violence. Depending on the outcome he shall serve a prison sentence or be cleared of crime.

[Janar]

SAPD has been told to not unsuspect for any murder, not even self-defense.

[Dutchy]

So uh back to this topic.
I remember Sushi changed this to account for the Constitution, so that manslaughter in self-defense would be unsuspected if valid proof was given... Yet it's changed back for some reason?

[2] Investigations:
Investigations are performed when you need to further delve what happened at a scene of a crime or situation. Much of the time, it is when a suspect requests it in an attempt to be unsuspected. Keep in mind, anything that results in manslaughter, regardless of self-defense or accidental will not be unsuspected.

Act XIX: Defence of propriety and belonging is authorized. Any destruction of private propriety or any damages caused to it is of criminal resort. However if a citizen kills another citizen while defending his propriety, he shall be trialed for use of unreasonable violence. Depending on the outcome he shall serve a prison sentence or be cleared of crime.

Hmm, I guess a either a bit outdated info or just a lil error. SAPD know's what to do though.. But what about killbugs?

[Leroy Hudson]

Killbugs should really be handled by Admins, as if I remember correct they can see the correct logs in chat for how they person had actually died.

[Jason Bridges]

A couple things that I'd like to be clarified:

1) If a suspect is wanted for a crime that two or more officers witnessed, can I definetely deny them an investigation?

2) If a suspect wants an investigation for a crime and their attourney also witnessed their crime, is that witness still allowed to act as an attourney and can I question

3) If a suspect does not cooperate during an investigation i.e. refusing to answer questions, not listening or following basic instructions etc. can I end the investigation on the grounds that they are non-compliant? (this also includes purposely walking or wasting time if I've told them I am not rping and to hurry up)

4) If during a roleplay investigation, a suspect has claimed to have done one thing i.e. used a deagle in self defense when they actually used a combat shotgun, but I have no RP way of proving that even though it's a fact, do they get unsuspected

5) Situation: I am on a patrol and there is a suspect surrounded by many civilians, the suspect pulls out a heavy weapon and aims it at me (not /gunpoint, actually aiming a weapon).
Am I allowed to open fire without warning in this situation?
If not, I suggest that we are because of the unpredictability of the situation, especially if you need to type a warning; they could open fire on you.

Can a member of command answer this please?

[[WS]Jacob]

Point 5 I would definitely say that you can open fire without warning. It is a life threatening situation so you have the authority to do what you can to protect your life as well as others around you.

[Janar]

Point 5 I would definitely say that you can open fire without warning. It is a life threatening situation so you have the authority to do what you can to protect your life as well as others around you.

That is more like cophunting and should be reported to admins.

[James Moretti]

Guyz tip,

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[Anthrax]

I got a question to SAPD command that seems unclear to many members of the team.
As we all know we are supposed to patrol in SAPD market PD vehicles or in a SAPD buffalo.

But in events or in legimitated reasons we are allowed to use civilian cars and the question is what kind of reasons may that be?
Where does the line draw?
Is "heroin patrol" or "immigration patrol" a reason to use forexample a truck or a premier civilian car?

Thank you in advance for the answer,
AnthraX

[[Rstar]Paul]

I got a question to SAPD command that seems unclear to many members of the team.
As we all know we are supposed to patrol in SAPD market PD vehicles or in a SAPD buffalo.

But in events or in legimitated reasons we are allowed to use civilian cars and the question is what kind of reasons may that be?
Where does the line draw?
Is "heroin patrol" or "immigration patrol" a reason to use forexample a truck or a premier civilian car?

Thank you in advance for the answer,
AnthraX

Go off-duty or use the legitimated vehicles which are allowed for the SAPD. Problem solved.

[Huntsman]

Are LSPD Officers allowed to go global air units? Or patrol other jurisdrictions?

[[Rstar]Paul]

Are LSPD Officers allowed to go global air units? Or patrol other jurisdrictions?

If there is no one to fill the others jurisdictions as air units, sure.

[Huntsman]

And how about patrolling other jurisdrictions as a ground unit??

[[Rstar]Paul]

And how about patrolling other jurisdrictions as a ground unit??

Same thing.

[Sushi]

A couple things that I'd like to be clarified:

1) If a suspect is wanted for a crime that two or more officers witnessed, can I definetely deny them an investigation?

2) If a suspect wants an investigation for a crime and their attourney also witnessed their crime, is that witness still allowed to act as an attourney and can I question

3) If a suspect does not cooperate during an investigation i.e. refusing to answer questions, not listening or following basic instructions etc. can I end the investigation on the grounds that they are non-compliant? (this also includes purposely walking or wasting time if I've told them I am not rping and to hurry up)

4) If during a roleplay investigation, a suspect has claimed to have done one thing i.e. used a deagle in self defense when they actually used a combat shotgun, but I have no RP way of proving that even though it's a fact, do they get unsuspected

5) Situation: I am on a patrol and there is a suspect surrounded by many civilians, the suspect pulls out a heavy weapon and aims it at me (not /gunpoint, actually aiming a weapon).
Am I allowed to open fire without warning in this situation?
If not, I suggest that we are because of the unpredictability of the situation, especially if you need to type a warning; they could open fire on you.

Can a member of command answer this please?

1. If I remember correctly, yes. If they feel that there was not sufficient evidence for you to jail them without an investigation, they can report you on the ARPD Forums with valid evidence (as per usual with any duty violation).

2. If the attorney themselves were involved in the situation, I believe that they cannot represent them anymore. Although this will have to be clarified. (The fact is that the RP character can change and they can behave as though they are someone else)

3. In the situation that a suspect is attempting to prolong an investigation by avoiding questions that are crucial to the investigation, you can end it due to non-compliance and impeding an investigation (ironically).

4. If you saw the crime in progress, then it's kind of the same as the first point. If they think you are violating your duty, then they can report you with valid evidence. RP can come from anywhere, simply having picked up a bullet at the scene, getting shot maybe and retrieving it from your vest can be counted as valid proof. (As far as I am concerned)

5. Say a suspect does do this to you without you actively engaging them (reasonably if you are driving right past them they can almost assume you have engaged them, but this still hasn't been made clear by Argonath HQ, so I can't clarify the server side rule part of that) you should immediately report them and get to a safe distance. If the suspect is surrounded by civilians, it is heavily advised that you should seek cover and shout for the civilians to move and take cover before firing. Within reason (no civilian standing directly in line of fire, etc) you can immediately fire on the suspect as a life is in immediate danger. tl;dr Yes. But try and report, shout for civilians safety etc (They would hear the suspect firing and see the weapon hopefully)


With AnthraX's civilian car question, Paul wasn't exactly clear. He omitted the fact that you can use a civilian car if your car has been totaled in a pursuit, but remember that you must be going to the nearest PD and retrieving a police vehicle if there are suitable units in pursuit. (SAPD RPP - Regulations 2.1

With Max's I know it's mostly been answered but; go where needed during the quiet times and during the busy times, stick to your jurisdiction unless back up is explicitly requested. (This can of course vary, as no time is the same as another)

[Jason Bridges]

A couple things that I'd like to be clarified:

1) If a suspect is wanted for a crime that two or more officers witnessed, can I definetely deny them an investigation?

2) If a suspect wants an investigation for a crime and their attourney also witnessed their crime, is that witness still allowed to act as an attourney and can I question

3) If a suspect does not cooperate during an investigation i.e. refusing to answer questions, not listening or following basic instructions etc. can I end the investigation on the grounds that they are non-compliant? (this also includes purposely walking or wasting time if I've told them I am not rping and to hurry up)

4) If during a roleplay investigation, a suspect has claimed to have done one thing i.e. used a deagle in self defense when they actually used a combat shotgun, but I have no RP way of proving that even though it's a fact, do they get unsuspected

5) Situation: I am on a patrol and there is a suspect surrounded by many civilians, the suspect pulls out a heavy weapon and aims it at me (not /gunpoint, actually aiming a weapon).
Am I allowed to open fire without warning in this situation?
If not, I suggest that we are because of the unpredictability of the situation, especially if you need to type a warning; they could open fire on you.

Can a member of command answer this please?

1. If I remember correctly, yes. If they feel that there was not sufficient evidence for you to jail them without an investigation, they can report you on the ARPD Forums with valid evidence (as per usual with any duty violation).

2. If the attorney themselves were involved in the situation, I believe that they cannot represent them anymore. Although this will have to be clarified. (The fact is that the RP character can change and they can behave as though they are someone else)

3. In the situation that a suspect is attempting to prolong an investigation by avoiding questions that are crucial to the investigation, you can end it due to non-compliance and impeding an investigation (ironically).

4. If you saw the crime in progress, then it's kind of the same as the first point. If they think you are violating your duty, then they can report you with valid evidence. RP can come from anywhere, simply having picked up a bullet at the scene, getting shot maybe and retrieving it from your vest can be counted as valid proof. (As far as I am concerned)

5. Say a suspect does do this to you without you actively engaging them (reasonably if you are driving right past them they can almost assume you have engaged them, but this still hasn't been made clear by Argonath HQ, so I can't clarify the server side rule part of that) you should immediately report them and get to a safe distance. If the suspect is surrounded by civilians, it is heavily advised that you should seek cover and shout for the civilians to move and take cover before firing. Within reason (no civilian standing directly in line of fire, etc) you can immediately fire on the suspect as a life is in immediate danger. tl;dr Yes. But try and report, shout for civilians safety etc (They would hear the suspect firing and see the weapon hopefully)


With AnthraX's civilian car question, Paul wasn't exactly clear. He omitted the fact that you can use a civilian car if your car has been totaled in a pursuit, but remember that you must be going to the nearest PD and retrieving a police vehicle if there are suitable units in pursuit. (SAPD RPP - Regulations 2.1

With Max's I know it's mostly been answered but; go where needed during the quiet times and during the busy times, stick to your jurisdiction unless back up is explicitly requested. (This can of course vary, as no time is the same as another)

Thanks for that, but with point 5 I was referring to an RP situation where the civilian hasn't broken any server rules (dming).

[Pingster]

So uh back to this topic.
I remember Sushi changed this to account for the Constitution, so that manslaughter in self-defense would be unsuspected if valid proof was given... Yet it's changed back for some reason?

[2] Investigations:
Investigations are performed when you need to further delve what happened at a scene of a crime or situation. Much of the time, it is when a suspect requests it in an attempt to be unsuspected. Keep in mind, anything that results in manslaughter, regardless of self-defense or accidental will not be unsuspected.

Act XIX: Defence of propriety and belonging is authorized. Any destruction of private propriety or any damages caused to it is of criminal resort. However if a citizen kills another citizen while defending his propriety, he shall be trialed for use of unreasonable violence. Depending on the outcome he shall serve a prison sentence or be cleared of crime.

Still waiting on an answer as to why it's the way it is!

[[Rstar]Paul]

The procedure was changed around two years ago by Gandalf if I remember correctly.

[2] Investigations:
Investigations are performed when you need to further delve what happened at a scene of a crime or situation. Much of the time, it is when a suspect requests it in an attempt to be unsuspected. Keep in mind, anything that results in manslaughter, regardless of self-defense or accidental will not be unsuspected.

This is the correct method. Which means, the constitution requires an update on that part.

[Mash]

Due to the current situations in Argonath that require cooperation between all law enforcement agencies I find a cooperation board necessary for easier communication and preperation. A board that is visual by all members in all offical agencies.
What do SAPD leaders think about that?

[Def Perry]

Due to the current situations in Argonath that require cooperation between all law enforcement agencies I find a cooperation board necessary for easier communication and preperation. A board that is visual by all members in all offical agencies.
What do SAPD leaders think about that?

It's already there in the Division forum.