San Andreas Police Department | Q&A

[Kostas]

Let him go if you got no evidences of him ordering

Shouldnt there be a way to do that? I mean it is obvious that he ordered as he was standing on the bottle and obvious that he collected as no package arrived ... I mean who ever goes and stand in a place where heroin is sold? even in Real life ... There are places where you know that you iwll see such and action and will get introuble ... So you dont go ... shouldnt there be something like that in ARgonath too? I mean its like yo udont go and stand by two guys that sell drugs to eachother ... its silly because they might kill oyu ... Also I believe teh script should assist us by maybe telling us what was the last time a heroin was collected ... althought I believe this should be given only to SAPD/ACSD/FBI as it can be abused by ARPD (just coz somone might get on ARPD to check for his frineds the heroin spots so they can order ...)

[Kostas]

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[Bert]

Let him go if you got no evidences of him ordering

Shouldnt there be a way to do that? I mean it is obvious that he ordered as he was standing on the bottle and obvious that he collected as no package arrived ... I mean who ever goes and stand in a place where heroin is sold? even in Real life ... There are places where you know that you iwll see such and action and will get introuble ... So you dont go ... shouldnt there be something like that in ARgonath too? I mean its like yo udont go and stand by two guys that sell drugs to eachother ... its silly because they might kill oyu ... Also I believe teh script should assist us by maybe telling us what was the last time a heroin was collected ... althought I believe this should be given only to SAPD/ACSD/FBI as it can be abused by ARPD (just coz somone might get on ARPD to check for his frineds the heroin spots so they can order ...)

Of course there should've been a way to see when was the heroin spot last used. Now, you either let him go or arrest him for being there, but he might be there unintentionally, not for ordering heroin

[Chris Knight]

You can't blame anyone doing criminal activity for being in public place. Argonath state constitution clearly states that in citizen rights.

By suspecting someone for that is breaching constitution aka breaking law by your self while citizen actually is innocent.

You can only verbally warn citizen leave the drug spot and the reason why. In case citizen refuses you can take him in for obstruction of justice.

However just because someone is standing there,it's not against the law.  Now as you spoke about evidence. You can suspect someone for drug ordering only after visually seen that player took the package as in case he reports you ,there is chatlogs to back you up .

As about script,there will be fat no from server owners,as frisk have proven,players abuse scripts left and right as far you give them opportunity to do so.

[Kostas]

You can't blame anyone doing criminal activity for being in public place. Argonath state constitution clearly states that in citizen rights.

By suspecting someone for that is breaching constitution aka breaking law by your self while citizen actually is innocent.

You can only verbally warn citizen leave the drug spot and the reason why. In case citizen refuses you can take him in for obstruction of justice.

However just because someone is standing there,it's not against the law.  Now as you spoke about evidence. You can suspect someone for drug ordering only after visually seen that player took the package as in case he reports you ,there is chatlogs to back you up .

As about script,there will be fat no from server owners,as frisk have proven,players abuse scripts left and right as far you give them opportunity to do so.

Okay . Today another thing happent . Me and Deputy Ross_Dykes got one guy on the Bayside heroin spot ... another guy got in and DM but dont spent time on that .before both me and Ross died I saw the package arriving and got picture of that actually as I couldnt colelct it ... We both died and after some time those two guys were in custody ... we took the in DPD and we frisked them and they RPed that we found only 2 condoms on each one .... Clearly they did order and collect the heroin and I got evidence about the order ... They also killed officers while trying to get away ... So we had proofs ... As they RPed not having it on them I called admin and he said that they can RP anything they want and that they cant be forced to give them ... Well in this case when can you confiscate their drugs? They can always roleplay that (no offence) a bad girl passed and took it (that was what they claimed) .... Shouldnt there be something to help the police work? I mean seriously give me a break ...

[Jason Bridges]

Situation : You are on your normal patrol at C4 and while passing near a heroin spot you see a civilian in there . Once you get there you ask him to move away from the heroin spot and he does and complies all the time with what you ask ... You put him in your car and stand over the heroin spot to see if any package arrives . After waiting 3 minutes without any package arriving and try /orderheroin to see if it is availlable and it isnt availlable . So after all of this you got more chances that he ordered and took it than that he couldnt even order (note ocne you saw him threw the radar he didnt move at all until you went there and asked him to move) . So in conclusion : AS he was standing there probably he had ordered and managed to take it but you dont have any proofs about it and the well known excuse , I was just standing there or waiting for someone is his excuse .... What do you do? How can you prove that he collected the heroin and take it from him? Obviously if you RPly frisk him you wont find anything on him ...

As stated in the constitution, preparing to commit an offence makes that person guilty of that offence, so preparing to order heroin is also a crime.

Someone standing at the heroin spot, not listening when you told them to leave and not providing a valid explanation for them being there is enough evidence for you to arrest them for attempting to order heroin.

Still wait for a Captain+ to confirm that though.

[Kostas]

Situation : You are on your normal patrol at C4 and while passing near a heroin spot you see a civilian in there . Once you get there you ask him to move away from the heroin spot and he does and complies all the time with what you ask ... You put him in your car and stand over the heroin spot to see if any package arrives . After waiting 3 minutes without any package arriving and try /orderheroin to see if it is availlable and it isnt availlable . So after all of this you got more chances that he ordered and took it than that he couldnt even order (note ocne you saw him threw the radar he didnt move at all until you went there and asked him to move) . So in conclusion : AS he was standing there probably he had ordered and managed to take it but you dont have any proofs about it and the well known excuse , I was just standing there or waiting for someone is his excuse .... What do you do? How can you prove that he collected the heroin and take it from him? Obviously if you RPly frisk him you wont find anything on him ...

As stated in the constitution, preparing to commit an offence makes that person guilty of that offence, so preparing to order heroin is also a crime.

Someone standing at the heroin spot, not listening when you told them to leave and not providing a valid explanation for them being there is enough evidence for you to arrest them for attempting to order heroin.

Still wait for a Captain+ to confirm that though.

Okay sir . What about the second one? Thats actually something that happent today

[Chris Knight]

Situation : You are on your normal patrol at C4 and while passing near a heroin spot you see a civilian in there . Once you get there you ask him to move away from the heroin spot and he does and complies all the time with what you ask ... You put him in your car and stand over the heroin spot to see if any package arrives . After waiting 3 minutes without any package arriving and try /orderheroin to see if it is availlable and it isnt availlable . So after all of this you got more chances that he ordered and took it than that he couldnt even order (note ocne you saw him threw the radar he didnt move at all until you went there and asked him to move) . So in conclusion : AS he was standing there probably he had ordered and managed to take it but you dont have any proofs about it and the well known excuse , I was just standing there or waiting for someone is his excuse .... What do you do? How can you prove that he collected the heroin and take it from him? Obviously if you RPly frisk him you wont find anything on him ...

As stated in the constitution, preparing to commit an offence makes that person guilty of that offence, so preparing to order heroin is also a crime.

Someone standing at the heroin spot, not listening when you told them to leave and not providing a valid explanation for them being there is enough evidence for you to arrest them for attempting to order heroin.

Still wait for a Captain+ to confirm that though.

Okay sir . What about the second one? Thats actually something that happent today

He is not forced admit he got drugs on him,nor weapons. In current case if they murdered officers that was prior crime not that you saw them picking up the package.  In case you do see a citizen picking up the drugs,you can freely suspect him,in case he reports on forum you will have evidence to back you up aka chatlog check on citizen who reported you. In case you suspect him without actually seen him ordering,you might be in fault if in case logs get checked and found out that player apparently wasn't collecting drugs but simply stood there. However if player is standing at drug spot,you can tell him to leave the area ,in case he refuses to do so or cooperates but returns after is as I've said failure to comply aka obstruction of justice.

This pretty much answers any case related to drug ordering .

[Kostas]

He is not forced admit he got drugs on him,nor weapons. In current case if they murdered officers that was prior crime not that you saw them picking up the package.  In case you do see a citizen picking up the drugs,you can freely suspect him,in case he reports on forum you will have evidence to back you up aka chatlog check on citizen who reported you. In case you suspect him without actually seen him ordering,you might be in fault if in case logs get checked and found out that player apparently wasn't collecting drugs but simply stood there. However if player is standing at drug spot,you can tell him to leave the area ,in case he refuses to do so or cooperates but returns after is as I've said failure to comply aka obstruction of justice.

This pretty much answers any case related to drug ordering .

Thank you for your answer but still . I know that the fact that he killed the officers was a bigger crime but a drug confiscation would be worst for him than a 180sec jail ... I had the proof that he ordered heroin but why is it like that ? He can RP that a guy came and took it? Well in this case it makes our job impossible . I would really like to know what would be a good act ? If I see the package arrival but die in that fight , after that he gets caught and he says that a bad girl came and took it ... and when I frisk him he says that there is nothing on him ... What should I do in this case? The admins cant back me up as I already tried that

[Jason Bridges]

Situation : You are on your normal patrol at C4 and while passing near a heroin spot you see a civilian in there . Once you get there you ask him to move away from the heroin spot and he does and complies all the time with what you ask ... You put him in your car and stand over the heroin spot to see if any package arrives . After waiting 3 minutes without any package arriving and try /orderheroin to see if it is availlable and it isnt availlable . So after all of this you got more chances that he ordered and took it than that he couldnt even order (note ocne you saw him threw the radar he didnt move at all until you went there and asked him to move) . So in conclusion : AS he was standing there probably he had ordered and managed to take it but you dont have any proofs about it and the well known excuse , I was just standing there or waiting for someone is his excuse .... What do you do? How can you prove that he collected the heroin and take it from him? Obviously if you RPly frisk him you wont find anything on him ...

If you think you have reasonable evidence of him preparing to order heroin, you suspect him for that, if not, then let him go.

Reasonable evidence includes standing right over the spot and not providing a truthful/valid reason for being there. If a person also runs away as soon as you come near, that is a good indicator that they are preparing to order heroin.

It really comes down to your judgement of the situation though. You cannot prove that he has collected it in this situation, you should frisk him however if you have reasonable doubt.

[TinMan]

Situation : You are on your normal patrol at C4 and while passing near a heroin spot you see a civilian in there . Once you get there you ask him to move away from the heroin spot and he does and complies all the time with what you ask ... You put him in your car and stand over the heroin spot to see if any package arrives . After waiting 3 minutes without any package arriving and try /orderheroin to see if it is availlable and it isnt availlable . So after all of this you got more chances that he ordered and took it than that he couldnt even order (note ocne you saw him threw the radar he didnt move at all until you went there and asked him to move) . So in conclusion : AS he was standing there probably he had ordered and managed to take it but you dont have any proofs about it and the well known excuse , I was just standing there or waiting for someone is his excuse .... What do you do? How can you prove that he collected the heroin and take it from him? Obviously if you RPly frisk him you wont find anything on him ...

Howdy.

In this situation, you can either let him go [[[[[if he is ordering heroin you will more than likely catch them again at another heroin spot]]] or take him to the station for further questioning to waist his time that so he can't order heroin for a while. You may begin asking questions like "What are you doing there?", "Whats the name of the person you were waiting for?", and keep asking questions like you would a normal investigation at the police station. If you run out of questions or can't get him to admit to it then you would have to let him go. After that write down his information and you'll eventually catch the person again. According to TinMan, the people who order heroin are the easiest people to bust in Law Enforcement because it is an active crime meaning once you get done investigating them at the police station they will do it again. Its not like you are investigating a murder and made the mistake by letting the suspect go free. It is like you are shooting turtles out of a pond but keep missing, well hell, the turtle will pop his head out of the water again and again. Hell, it may take you 15 tries to finally shoot and kill the turtle! Anyway, that is like the same as catching people at heroin spots they just keep doing it again and again and again. After catching them again and again for ordering heroin they will get annoyed and that is always fun.

I've caught a guy at Doherty Heroin Spot and he told me the excuse of riding his bike. I acted like I believed him and I let him go. A few days later I busted him. Sometimes letting them go is a better option. Just use your own judgement.

Remember this, you may think you have to but you don't have to jail every suspect you bring to the station or suspected. I'm saying this to everybody.

[TinMan]

Thank you for your answer but still . I know that the fact that he killed the officers was a bigger crime but a drug confiscation would be worst for him than a 180sec jail ... I had the proof that he ordered heroin but why is it like that ? He can RP that a guy came and took it? Well in this case it makes our job impossible . I would really like to know what would be a good act ? If I see the package arrival but die in that fight , after that he gets caught and he says that a bad girl came and took it ... and when I frisk him he says that there is nothing on him ... What should I do in this case? The admins cant back me up as I already tried that

If you see him pick up the package and are there the whole time in roleplay terms it is on him. He can always lie and say someone else took it or say he doesn't have it. What you need to do in this situation is contact the FBI if they are online. I'm not going to go full detail on how they work because I don't want to release the secret. Just trust me the FBI can take care of it.

If you are without FBI help and they are refusing to hand it over, you can tell him to hand it over or you will take him to Mordor until he gives it to you. It works sometimes. They will either get mad and quit the game or hand it over to be released. Its all fun and games.

[Chris Knight]

In case you do not own any evidence of player ordering drugs (being at heroin spot is not an evidence) ,you can't detain him,you have no rights for that,therefore detainment  and placement in the car is breaching his citizen rights,do not do that again.

[Huntsman]

What happened to ACSD?

[Dimos]

What happened to ACSD?

Shutdown and we should choose SAPD or ARPD i choose SAPD and i am citizen the reason idk

[Thomas_Crof]

Shutdown and we should choose SAPD or ARPD i choose SAPD and i am citizen the reason idk

Your rank is SAPD Cadet

[Chris Knight]

What happened to ACSD?

http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=30474.msg290307#new

[Sushi]

Final clarification for those asking about heroin spots. It is simple, if you don't see them actually picking up the package, there is no lawful reason for suspecting them; same goes for dealing, unless you see the transfer in a public area than there is no lawful reason to suspect for dealing. When frisking, the roleplay is decided by those in the roleplay, many people prefer to up their digital numbers rather than roleplay because they aren't forced in anyway to show what they actually have.

As said by others many times, you can lawfully ask them to leave the area as they are known ordering spots and they then fall under the suspicious persons category. Failing to leave, they can be suspected for 'failure to comply' or 'obstruction of justice' or whichever similar term floats your boat. My personal advice, when seeing someone there, be as clear and concise as quickly as possible. Stick around the area to see if anyone else pops by, if the heroin arrives, take it as evidence, record the time and date and the name of the guy who was there last and give it to a Lieutenant for destruction.

Summation:

• Unlawful to suspect on sight for being there (Without evidence of retrieving heroin)
• Lawful to tell them to leave and suspect if they don't
• Be concise, clear and quick

[TinMan]

• Be concise, clear and quick

Yes. That is very true. Most of the time when an officer arrives to someone ordering heroin they will immediately open fire. Just all ways be prepared for a shootout when coming across heroin orderers and don't let your guard down. 

[TinMan]

Are you allowed to use the wrong ramp if you are in direct pursuit (meaning, you have visual on the suspect)? The reason I'm asking is because if you take the correct ramp, you're often much slower which means you could lose visual and as a result of that, the suspect could escape.

Still awaiting answer!

Bump on this.

It is allowed drive on wrong ramp taking careful turn to avoid as much as possible collision in case there is incoming vehicle. But only if you are in pursuit of fugitive or prior shots fired call,not because FD asked your assistance at fire situation.

Have a Captain + answer this one. I was under the impression that you were not allowed up under any circumstances.

In that case all police officers driving on wrong lane during pursuit should be punished as equal as driving on wrong ramp,think logically not be under an impression,or at least read the police regulation where it points out that c30/207 are prior calls and you must respond as fast as possible,which includes you being effective on the road.

Take the direction to the wrong ramp, but on the grass and then proceed.

Howdy!

Question:
Can we chase a suspect using the wrong ramp?

Answer:
More than likely chasing a suspect up the wrong ramp would be a bad idea. Think about it. If a car was coming down the wrong ramp smashing into the suspect vehicle your vehicle will end up getting hit as well. So you are just endangering yourself and other people.

Driving on the grass beside the wrong ramp is NOT considered wrong ramping or reckless driving and it may be used responding to emergencies. The only thing you have to be careful is on-coming traffic crossing over from the wrong side of the road to the correct lane on the LS-LV Highway. This allows officers to use a side path to quickly respond to high priority scenes wherever and can save a lot of time and trouble from getting into a car accident or getting reported.

Note: Too be really on the safe side always use the correct ramp. There is only a 3 second difference due to the fact that the wrong ramp is up-hill so your vehicle loses speed.

Signed,

Mulholland Intersection Protector,

TinMan