LSPD Senior Officer Def.Perry - Abuse of /cancelsuspect powers

[GiacJr]

Directed to: SAPD authority.
SAPD Officer Policy violators: Def.Perry

1. Def.Perry - Abuse of /cancelsuspect
2. Officer's Department - LSPD

[23:02:40] Marcus_Filipmore(27) was suspected by officer GiacJr_Corleone(86) for reckless driving
[23:06:17] {1A46FF}[HQ]: {409FFF}Criminal Marcus_Filipmore(27) surrendered. {1A46FF}DO NOT KILL HIM {409FFF}, proceed to transport him.
(NOTE: 4 MINUTES LATER), very, very clearly evaded.
[23:10:52] Steve_McGarrett(96): Police Radio: McGarrett to GiacJr, do you copy?, Over.
[23:10:58] GiacJr_Corleone(86): Police Radio: Always for you, Over.
[23:11:24] Steve_McGarrett(96): Police Radio: Plate 27 was suspected by you for recklessy driving. He claim that you did not even bother t
[23:11:29] Steve_McGarrett(96): Police Radio: to pull him over, Over.
[23:11:36] Steve_McGarrett(96): Police Radio: Your side of the story?, Over.
[23:11:45] GiacJr_Corleone(86): Police Radio: This is true. Unfortunately for him, not only do I not need to pullover, Over.
[23:11:48] GiacJr_Corleone(86): Police Radio: But he evaded., Over.
[23:11:52] GiacJr_Corleone(86): Police Radio: Therefore the crime is doubly valid., Over.
[23:12:15] Steve_McGarrett(96): Police Radio: Traffic violations are considered as misdemeanour, not a felony, Over.
[23:12:22] GiacJr_Corleone(86): Police Radio: Excuse me?, Over.
[23:12:53] Steve_McGarrett(96): Police Radio: Requesting cancelsuspect 27 - Crime invalid. Investigated, next time pull him over, Over.
[23:13:00] GiacJr_Corleone(86): Police Radio: 10-3 U96, Over.
[23:13:02] Nexxt.(3): Police Radio: Invalid cancelsuspect, Over.
[23:13:03] GiacJr_Corleone(86): Police Radio: Do NOT unsus ID 27, Over.
[23:13:12] Marcus_Filipmore(27) has been unsuspected by Def_Perry(43) - Crime invalid. U96
[23:13:16] GiacJr_Corleone(86): Police Radio: Unsuspection of ID 27 will be considered abuse of unsus and WILL be reported, Over.

Now, not only did the guy evade for 4 mins by finally deciding to surrender, which makes ANY crime he allegedly committed valid, he tricked Mr. McGarrett so well that he was 100% convinced he was in the right.
My complaint is not about poor investigation skills however, it is regarding the haste at which Def.Perry rushed to unsus the suspect, when the suspecting officer was clearly arguing against it. In his role as a Senior Officer, he should have come to the suspect, requested me to go there, and then investigated personally to figure out whether or not unsus was required. This did not occur, and, as a result, a GUILTY suspect was able to manipulate the system and get away free of any punishment.

I would like to request that Def.Perry's cancelsuspect rights are looked at very seriously and removed immediately, as this kind of shocking investigation by a supposed "senior" member is a direct reflection of SAPD Leadership and their choices in picking senior staff and the trust in them.


Date: 21/10/12
Time: 23:10 AEST

Civillian(s) involved: The suspect, myself, Steve, Nexxt, Def.Perry

Regards,
GiacJr

[Goldy.]

I was there and just a notification that it all started because of GiacJr didn't put effort in even pulling over a player for reckless driving.

[14:17:38] GiacJr_Corleone(86): Police Radio: I'm sorry that I suspect people for breaking road rules., Over.
[14:17:48] Goldy_Jackson.(85): Police Radio: YOu dont bother to pull them over, Over.
[14:17:53] GiacJr_Corleone(86): Police Radio: You don't need to., Over.
[14:17:56] Goldy_Jackson.(85): Police Radio: YOu should, Over.
[14:18:00] GiacJr_Corleone(86): Police Radio: But you don't need to, Over.

[Deluca]

Greetings

As I'm a witness and basically one of the main persons in this report, I'd like to add that this suspect did not show any symptoms of evading. You were just down the street and just drove away. You were already suspecting another guy for "reckless driving" when we took this suspect into custody where me and my partner Goldy Jackson investigated him. He seemed very angry as he felt abused. This is what he said;

[14:09:41] Marcus_Filipmore(27) says: Ok so I got SU'd For reckless driving
[14:09:51] Marcus_Filipmore(27) says: But thats totally true
[14:10:23] Marcus_Filipmore(27) says: The reason why I want a investigation is because the way you guys handle me during a arrestation

Already here, I started asking questions if you even bother to give an attempt to pull him over, which is basically the main reason why I find his crime invalid.

With all due respect I do not see the evading part here. Firstly. The suspect was standing still and left his car when we arrested him. Your job as a cop is not to suspect and arrest, but serve and protect, which also consider of punishing with tickets if they were recklessy driving, you should've pulled him over, ticketed him and guidelined the suspect, so you could personally get a positive return from the traffic violator. As mentioned, traffic offences are not felonies, but misdemeanor and you shall therefore not take advantage of the suspect function.

I've explained my part. I do not see any faults from Senior Officer Perry in this case, but furthermore the reporter.


With the best regards
Steve McGarrett

[GiacJr]

Unfortunately, gentlemen, there are no server rules requiring an officer to pullover a suspect before suspecting. As a freecop, my only limitations are server rules - therefore, if I am acting within the rules, I am acting rightfully and therefore my actions are VALID and there is no case to argue here.
I am sure that any senior member of SAPD will agree with me and understand.

[Deluca]

Unfortunately, gentlemen, there are no server rules requiring an officer to pullover a suspect before suspecting. As a freecop, my only limitations are server rules - therefore, if I am acting within the rules, I am acting rightfully and therefore my actions are VALID and there is no case to argue here.
I am sure that any senior member of SAPD will agree with me and understand.

Interesting...

[14:18:55] GiacJr_Corleone(86): Police Radio: Steve, you don't understand the SAPD rules & suspection guidelines, Over.
[14:19:00] GiacJr_Corleone(86): Police Radio: Which is why you were kicked out of the SAPD, Over.

This is where you tried to teach me(and Goldy) that you are so in need to suspect traffic violators. Why are you claiming that you're just another ARPD officer that has to only stick to the server rules?

I was there and just a notification that it all started because of GiacJr didn't put effort in even pulling over a player for reckless driving.

[14:17:38] GiacJr_Corleone(86): Police Radio: I'm sorry that I suspect people for breaking road rules., Over.
[14:17:48] Goldy_Jackson.(85): Police Radio: YOu dont bother to pull them over, Over.
[14:17:53] GiacJr_Corleone(86): Police Radio: You don't need to., Over.
[14:17:56] Goldy_Jackson.(85): Police Radio: YOu should, Over.
[14:18:00] GiacJr_Corleone(86): Police Radio: But you don't need to, Over.

If you don't need to, why do I see you suspecting everyone all the time under every occasion and never, absolutely never even bothering to pull people over? You know that it's not me, nor are Goldy getting pissed off at it. To be honest, I don't give a god damn crap if you'd decide to suspect people for public masturbating, or terrorist having a long beard. I don't give a crap about it. But all the victims does, because it ruins their gameplay. Why can't you just pull them over instead of creating such a huge mess about it?

[GiacJr]

If the civilians would be following the road rules, they would not be needing to be suspected. By your logic, road rules are affecting gameplay and fun, so we should remove them?

Even under SAPD guidelines, it is RECOMMENDED to pullover, but definitely NOT required in any way.
I suggest you read up. I act within SAPD Guidelines even though I am a Freecop because I was SAPD Upper COmmand for over four years, and I can't help it. Every action I take is within SAPD guidelines.

[Deluca]

If the civilians would be following the road rules, they would not be needing to be suspected. By your logic, road rules are affecting gameplay and fun, so we should remove them?

So you admit that you want to suspect people and are trigger happy in that way? You're right. If they would follow the traffic regulations, you would not have to suspect them. I am not saying that road rules should be removed, not at all. I am saying that you should use the damn /m1 function, there's a reason it was added. Your job as an law employee is to pull them over, punish them in the way of fining them, and guide line them, so they would enforce the traffic regulations. Even though if they decide not, to. Then ok, it's still your job to guideline and serve the citizens more than suspecting and arresting them.

EDIT:

Even under SAPD guidelines, it is RECOMMENDED to pullover, but definitely NOT required in any way.
I suggest you read up. I act within SAPD Guidelines even though I am a Freecop because I was SAPD Upper COmmand for over four years, and I can't help it. Every action I take is within SAPD guidelines.

SAPD guidelines have changed since both of us were in the SAPD, it's a new systematic. And you just said that you were a freecop that has to only stick with the server rules..

As a freecop, my only limitations are server rules

[GiacJr]

No steve, I said I am only REQUIRED to follow server rules - out of habit, I stick to SAPD Guidelines, to ensure my police work is as best it possibly can be.

[Deluca]

No steve, I said I am only REQUIRED to follow server rules - out of habit, I stick to SAPD Guidelines, to ensure my police work is as best it possibly can be.

Then why don't you enforce the laws as SAPD guidelines recommend you to?

Even under SAPD guidelines, it is RECOMMENDED to pullover, but definitely NOT required in any way.

[GiacJr]

A reccommendation means you may follow it or not, it is never comclusive and never is a direct order or command.

[Deluca]

A reccommendation means you may follow it or not, it is never comclusive and never is a direct order or command.

Then you strict again against what you said above.

No steve, I said I am only REQUIRED to follow server rules - out of habit, I stick to SAPD Guidelines, to ensure my police work is as best it possibly can be.

[GiacJr]

What god damn point are you going for? I SAID i follow the GUIDELINES which RECCOMEND that you pullover before SU, even though I am not REQUIRED to.
Did you get taught how to read English? Or are you trolling me?

[Deluca]

What god damn point are you going for? I SAID i follow the GUIDELINES which RECCOMEND that you pullover before SU, even though I am not REQUIRED to.
Did you get taught how to read English? Or are you trolling me?

No, I am bloody serious. You say that you decide to follow SAPD guidelines even though that you're an ARPD officer, but you do not bother to follow what they recommend you to? You as an ARPD officer have to follow the server rules, yes. When you say that you decide to follow SAPD guidelines, I find it false as the SAPD guidelines recommend you to pull them over, but still you are not pulling them over. Get your facts right mate. You're maybe following a little part of the guidelines, but not the part where you should pull them over.

[Kenny]

Senior Officer Def Perry has been notified of this report and been asked to respond, we will wait for his statement before we can move this to under investigation.

Steve if you have already given your witness statement then there is no reason to continue to post here, defending the accused will show favouritism and your witness statement might be invalidated or will be very weak. So take my advise and just post your statement with full details on how you see things happen if you haven't done so yet.

Giac your report will be looked into by the SAPD Command Staff and you will be notified of the outcome once we have reached a decision. Meanwhile i advise you to bring any witness you may have, perhaps a partner if you had one or anyone who may have information related to this case.

On a last note i urge everyone to stop the argument and speculation, we will determine if this report is valid and if the officer has broken any rules or procedure and hand out the correct punishment.

[Steven J]

I would like to apologise for posting; though I feel this post maybe relevant towards the complainant.

What god damn point are you going for? I SAID i follow the GUIDELINES which RECCOMEND that you pullover before SU, even though I am not REQUIRED to.
Did you get taught how to read English? Or are you trolling me?

You have always been required to attempt to pull over, before suspecting.
If in any doubt; ask TeaM_MIB aka Boromir on main forums.

[18:04:22] TeaM_MIB(27) says: so he suspected you without /m1

[18:04:25] Matthew_Ridges(18) says: Yes

[18:04:31] Matthew_Ridges(18) says: I surrendered immediately

[18:04:31] Thor_Steinar(32) says: Since when that is needed for APRD?

[18:04:34] Matthew_Ridges(18) says: and called 911

[18:04:41] Matthew_Ridges(18) says: asking for an investigation

[18:04:45] TeaM_MIB(27) says: since the beginning, officer32

[18:04:51] Thor_Steinar(32) says: Oh really?

[18:04:53] You have been unsuspected by TeaM_MIB(27) for dealt

[18:04:54] TeaM_MIB(27) says: yes

If the SAPD Command wish for my post removal, I totally understand and respect this however, at least Giac will be more aware that ARPD are required.

By SAPD Command - Post will remain due to the confrontation made by a Community Leader.

[Def Perry]

I was there and just a notification that it all started because of GiacJr didn't put effort in even pulling over a player for reckless driving.

[14:17:38] GiacJr_Corleone(86): Police Radio: I'm sorry that I suspect people for breaking road rules., Over.
[14:17:48] Goldy_Jackson.(85): Police Radio: YOu dont bother to pull them over, Over.
[14:17:53] GiacJr_Corleone(86): Police Radio: You don't need to., Over.
[14:17:56] Goldy_Jackson.(85): Police Radio: YOu should, Over.
[14:18:00] GiacJr_Corleone(86): Police Radio: But you don't need to, Over.

[18:04:22] TeaM_MIB(27) says: so he suspected you without /m1

[18:04:25] Matthew_Ridges(18) says: Yes

[18:04:31] Matthew_Ridges(18) says: I surrendered immediately

[18:04:31] Thor_Steinar(32) says: Since when that is needed for APRD?

[18:04:34] Matthew_Ridges(18) says: and called 911

[18:04:41] Matthew_Ridges(18) says: asking for an investigation

[18:04:45] TeaM_MIB(27) says: since the beginning, officer32

[18:04:51] Thor_Steinar(32) says: Oh really?

[18:04:53] You have been unsuspected by TeaM_MIB(27) for dealt

[18:04:54] TeaM_MIB(27) says: yes

As the community leader stated, ARPD officers are required to pull over or make an attempt to pull him over, which you didn't.
Secondly, you claim that the suspect evaded from you for 4 minutes, but how can he be aware that he is being wanted, if you didn't even warn him..
As the suspect was investigated by a former senior member of the SAPD, and the other reasons stated above, I came to the conclusion to unsuspect him. Which was a valid unsuspection from what I have seen now.

[GiacJr]

A former senior member? I am a former more-senior member and you ignored me, so don't start with that bullshit.

I would request Boromir to re-confirm once again that this is the case, because as far as I'm concerned, no server rules, no part of the constitution, nor the SAPD police rules state it is REQUIRED to pull anyone over before using /su.

[Cyril]

As a witness, I'll post.

I saw since 2-3 days GiacJr constantly suspecting people for "speeding" "reckless driving" or minor crime like that in short amount of time. When I spectated him yesterday, I saw him suspecting people without even attempting to pull them over, and after suspecting them, not even chasing them in order to arrest them. He is just suspecting everyone passing by him.

I would like to remind you that this is a roleplay server. Where was your roleplay in suspecting people out of blue ? I doubt this kind of behaviour is allowed. You are an experienced officer and you have to show professionalism and good example to our new players.

I copbanned you 4 days yesterday for killing a standing still suspect and abusing /su. You told me you don't have to pull over people in order to suspect them for minor crimes such as traffic violation. Yet, this is not a Cops and Robbers server. If you don't have any intention to interact and roleplay with others players and if you are just here to use commands on everyone speeding or reckless driving, then I doubt you are suitable for police job.

You cried to CBFasi that you were not agree with my decision to copban you, but the main reason was killing the standing still suspect. And about you suspecting everyone, we agreed with CBF that it's not tolerable from someone with such an experience. You were showing a very bad example to new players and a bad image of ARPD.

Regards,
Cyril.

[James Moretti]

I witnessed this over the police radio, requested them to take the discussion to PM as it was disturbing the communications..
From my point of view, Steve and GiacJr were arguing about the fact that the suspect was innocent of his crimes or not, and if the suspect should be unsuspected. His crime was valid, though he was not pulled over, which is required to perform any kind of actions against the driver.


Dean Collin
Witness (Police radio dispatch)

[GiacJr]

As a witness, I'll post.

I saw since 2-3 days GiacJr constantly suspecting people for "speeding" "reckless driving" or minor crime like that in short amount of time. When I spectated him yesterday, I saw him suspecting people without even attempting to pull them over, and after suspecting them, not even chasing them in order to arrest them. He is just suspecting everyone passing by him.

I would like to remind you that this is a roleplay server. Where was your roleplay in suspecting people out of blue ? I doubt this kind of behaviour is allowed. You are an experienced officer and you have to show professionalism and good example to our new players.

I copbanned you 4 days yesterday for killing a standing still suspect and abusing /su. You told me you don't have to pull over people in order to suspect them for minor crimes such as traffic violation. Yet, this is not a Cops and Robbers server. If you don't have any intention to interact and roleplay with others players and if you are just here to use commands on everyone speeding or reckless driving, then I doubt you are suitable for police job.

You cried to CBFasi that you were not agree with my decision to copban you, but the main reason was killing the standing still suspect. And about you suspecting everyone, we agreed with CBF that it's not tolerable from someone with such an experience. You were showing a very bad example to new players and a bad image of ARPD.

Regards,
Cyril.

Excuse me, but do you not have ANY sense of respect whatsoever? You want to know how the situation of me "CRYING" to CBFasi played out? Here are the chat logs:

[00:10:11] PM to [Rstar]CBFasi(57): hey man, you got a second?
[00:10:23] PM from [Rstar]CBFasi(57): i have
[00:10:41] PM to [Rstar]CBFasi(57): right, well you will not like what I have to say but it is affecting my gameplay so I feel like I must
[00:11:09] PM to [Rstar]CBFasi(57): you probably know by now I was copbanned by Cyril
[00:11:20] PM to [Rstar]CBFasi(57): I would send an email to the email but it will take over 4 days to get it looked at
[00:11:21] PM from [Rstar]CBFasi(57): yes i am aware
[00:11:33] PM to [Rstar]CBFasi(57): So there is no point, as I will have 4 days of ruined gameplay
[00:11:43] PM to [Rstar]CBFasi(57): So would you possibly be able to TP me and Cyril to you, so you can investigate it?
[00:12:08] PM from [Rstar]CBFasi(57): to investigate will require major log checks
[00:12:18] PM to [Rstar]CBFasi(57): No it won't
[00:12:27] PM to [Rstar]CBFasi(57): the copban reason is "false su and shooting standing kill SU"
[00:12:34] PM to [Rstar]CBFasi(57): I have a screenshot of the suspect driving recklessly
[00:12:44] PM to [Rstar]CBFasi(57): and I saw the suspect moving on my screen, not sure if it was lag
[00:12:48] PM to [Rstar]CBFasi(57): but he was definitely moving
[00:13:09] PM from [Rstar]CBFasi(57): i think tho its for more than 1 event, the copban
[00:13:21] PM to [Rstar]CBFasi(57): everyone I suspected was driving wrongly
[00:13:28] PM to [Rstar]CBFasi(57): speeding, driving on wrogn side, driving on footpath
[00:14:15] PM from [Rstar]CBFasi(57): i do know that we had a number of complaints come in about you, i tried to stay out of it
[00:14:31] PM from [Rstar]CBFasi(57): i no longer know what way is right or wrong, sapd changed so much
[00:14:53] PM to [Rstar]CBFasi(57): So basically, there's nothing you can do?
[00:15:10] PM from [Rstar]CBFasi(57): not directly, but i need to talk to chief and see just what is going on
[00:15:21] PM to [Rstar]CBFasi(57): okay well thanks anyway, I will just send email....
[00:15:41] PM from [Rstar]CBFasi(57): sorry i cant help at this time
[00:15:47] PM to [Rstar]CBFasi(57): it's okay, at least you talked to me properly
[00:15:55] PM to [Rstar]CBFasi(57): hope you are well, bye

You see any point where this is me CRYING to CBFasi? No, Cyril, this is called a RESPECTFUL conversation where myself and CBFasi enjoy a respectful, mature, grown up conversation where we both LISTEN TO EACH OTHER and present our sides of the situation. You want to see what this is contrasted against? My "conversation" with YOU:

[23:43:35] <GiacJr_Corleone> (73) Excuse me but who just copbanned me without talking to me ?
[23:43:52] <Cyril_Olaso> (19) I did, and I barely need to talk to you.
[23:43:56] <GiacJr_Corleone> (73) We need to have a little talk I think
[23:44:15] <GiacJr_Corleone> (73) Come on Cyril
[23:44:17] <GiacJr_Corleone> (73) TP to me
[23:44:18] <GiacJr_Corleone> (73) Let's talk
[23:44:34] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: I have a screenshot of him recklessly driving
[23:44:36] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: So you abused on that count
[23:44:38] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: And he was evading
[23:44:41] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: Walking from his car
[23:44:44] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: So you abused on that count
[23:44:51] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: Now, would you remove the copban and apologise. Thank yuo.
[23:44:55] Cyril_Olaso(19) says: He was standing still.
[23:45:01] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: Not on my screen he wasn't.
[23:45:15] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: He stepped from the car, walked away from the door, I fired first shot, then moved behind the car
[23:45:17] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: Fired second shot.
[23:45:32] Cyril_Olaso(19) says: And you never heard to try to pull over first ?
[23:45:36] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: I don't need to.
[23:45:38] Cyril_Olaso(19) says: Instead of suspecting everyone on sight
[23:45:43] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: You going to say the copban is for that now?
[23:45:59] Cyril_Olaso(19) says: It is, for killing a standing still suspect and misuse of /su
[23:46:10] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: Are you honestly going to make me waste my time writing an email?
[23:46:14] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: Which will take over 4 days to be responded to?
[23:46:27] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: I have a SCREENSHOT of him driving over a footpath.
[23:46:29] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: THAT is reckless driving
[23:46:35] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: I JUST explained to you the situation with him moving
[23:46:37] Cyril_Olaso(19) says: Yeah so ? /s1 ?
[23:46:42] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: YOU DON'T f**kING NEED TO
[23:46:49] Cyril_Olaso(19) says: And what about the 10 last suspect ? You didn't even attempt to stop them
[23:46:53] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: YOU DONT NEED TO
[23:46:54] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: YOU DONT NEED TO
[23:46:55] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: YOU DONT NEED TO
[23:46:56] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: YOU DONT NEED TO
[23:47:01] Cyril_Olaso(19) says: Stop flooding ?
[23:47:03] Cyril_Olaso(19) says: And capsing
[23:47:05] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: THEN LISTEN TO Me
[23:47:10] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: you're being really unfair
[23:47:11] Cyril_Olaso(19) says: Yeah you have to
[23:47:25] Cyril_Olaso(19) says: If you don't agree, I invite you to have a little discussion with Paul.
[23:47:30] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: Bring him here then.
[23:47:39] Cyril_Olaso(19) says: You can find him on ARPD Forum.
[23:47:47] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: Then how about you UNSUS ME UNTIL I AM PROVEN GUILTY AND WRONG
[23:47:52] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: Because as far as I'm concerned
[23:47:54] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: There is no SERVER RULE
[23:47:59] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: Nor even a SAPD REGULATION
[23:48:05] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: stating that it is REQUIRED To pull over before using /su
[23:48:05] Cyril_Olaso(19) says: Killing standing still suspect and misusing /su is.
[23:48:09] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: I did not abuse /su
[23:48:15] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: When did I abuse /su?
[23:48:24] Cyril_Olaso(19) says: Randomly suspecting people for every little thing
[23:48:32] GiacJr_Corleone(73) says: So we are allowing people to break road rules now?
[23:48:32] Cyril_Olaso(19) says: Even new players don't do that.. so please
[23:49:09] Cyril_Olaso(19) says: End of the discussion. If you have something to say, take it to the mail. Have a good day

This conversation with you plays out with you not even considering one WORD I say, which is incredivly disrespectful, unfair, and unprofessional.
So do not come to me with this bullshit about CRYING to people, learn to show some respect to people, and to do your job properly.