ARPD Report - Madboi_Seville

[Jason Bridges]

Directed to: SAPD authority.
ARPD Officer Policy violators:

1. Madboi_Seville - deathmatching suspects whilst on police duty

I was on scene of a barricade situation. ARPD Officer Padres lead a breaching team into a compound in Foster Valley, SF. I stayed outside and so did one member of the breaching team. That member was Madboi_Seville. The suspect exited the compound, I pepper sprayed him, then he entered again and repeated this 3 times. (/enter and /exit'ing). Madboi then took out an M4 assault rifle and killed the suspect, without issuing any warnings; the suspect was also standing still. 

[16:29:33] MadBoi_Seville(34) says: Downed. < Here MadBoi killed the suspect

[16:29:34] Jason_Bridges(56) shouts: don't open fire without warning!! < Here I responded to that

[16:29:37] Jason_Bridges(56) shouts: jesus !!

[16:29:38] ***[9774] Padres.(8): Erm... < Witness can confirm that the suspect did not move

[16:29:39] ***[9774] Vince_Jones(72): We are dealing with Jack here.

[16:29:40] Robert_Jks(71) was suspected by officer Cygnus_Sosa(50) for aiding

[16:29:41] Jason_Bridges(56) shouts: you're not a f**king executionist!!

[16:29:41] INFINITRYX_12(46) has joined the server from Mexico.

[16:29:42] MadBoi_Seville(34) says: He will keep doing that if I dont < Here is his explanation for killing a standing suspect without any warnings

[16:29:45] Jason_Bridges(56) shouts: no!!

[16:29:46] Chichibung(47) has joined the server from Egypt.

[16:29:48] Jason_Bridges(56) shouts: that's against arpd regulation!!

[16:29:50] Screenshot Taken - sa-mp-032.png

[16:29:55] ***[9774] Padres.(8): He is jailed?

[16:29:56] MadBoi_Seville(34) says: I aint SAPD. < Here is another excuse

[16:29:59] [MA]Clark(33) says: where is he?

[16:30:02] Jason_Bridges(56) says: read waht I said

[16:30:02] ***[9774] Vince_Jones(72): Not yet, this guy is still arguing

[16:30:03] MadBoi_Seville(34) says: He's dead.

[16:30:03] Jason_Bridges(56) says: ARPD regulation

[16:30:05] ***[9774] Padres.(8): /crime 14 / /area 14

[16:30:05] <Loader> (38) where is everyone

[16:30:05] <Muddy_Ancelotti> (37) What the f**k

[16:30:07] <Cygnus_Sosa> (50) o-o i did not know he was gonna do that

[16:30:09] Jason_Bridges(56) says: that's deathmatching...

[16:30:11] Screenshot Taken - sa-mp-033.png

[16:30:12] <Muddy_Ancelotti> (37) Cygnus

[16:30:12] MikeBlaze(49) has joined the server from Romania.

[16:30:13] Xander_Bolt(58) has joined the server from Israel.

[16:30:15] MadBoi_Seville(34) says: He would continue going in and out if I did not shoot < Another excuse

[16:30:15] <Muddy_Ancelotti> (37) What the f**k was that man

[16:30:18] Jason_Bridges(56) says: so?

[16:30:21] MadBoi_Seville(34) says: Enough preaching.

[16:30:21] ***[9774] Johnny.(21): What the hell?

[16:30:24] Jason_Bridges(56) says: that doesn't give you the right to deathmatch

[16:30:24] Pilar(61) has joined the server from Romania.

[16:30:28] <JAcs> (73) yo mike

[16:30:28] Jason_Bridges(56) says: look on arpd reports section < Informing him he is being reported

[16:30:34] You entered a Police Maverick(232), owner: [SAPD]Dillimore

[16:30:34] <Cygnus_Sosa> (50) the other guy shot up your car

[16:30:34] Jason_Bridges(56) says: you'll have one launched against you

[16:30:37] Screenshot Taken - sa-mp-034.png

[16:30:42] Rescue Air Lift Required | Caller: Edward_LucianoT(55) | Location: Whetstone, GPS: -2760 -1960

[16:30:45] *** Alex_Rich(51) has left the channel.

[16:30:46] Lloyd._Bolt(46) has joined the server from the United States.

[16:30:49] PM to MadBoi_Seville(34): just to inform you once more, you're being reported on arpd forums < Letting him know again that he is being reported

Date: 25th October, 2012
Time: 16:32

Civillian(s) involved: None

Signed
Jason Bridges

[Padres_Rosso]

Me, ARPD Officer Padres, am confirming what Jason is telling.
As he said, I was taking the fast lead of the Breach-Team to take a fleeing suspect into Custody.
The Suspect re-entered the building many times, So did i.
As i exited the building i saw Jason spraying me(unpurposelly) and to his left i saw Madboi with his M4.
later on, I didnt recognize that Madboi killed him, so i was kinda confused what just happened because the Suspect was at Dillimore and not wanted anymore.

[MadBoi]

Let's start off from the beginning then, there were 4 ARPD Officers on the ground when I landed, as well as Mr Bridges over here.
They storm into the building which contains the suspect, the suspect then exits, as he starts getting pepper sprayed by Jason without warning, I assume the other officers had ordered him to stop and surrender already as they were inside with him.
He then exited and entered the building roughly 4-5times attempting to not get shot in the process I assume.
I sprayed him with pepper spray the first few times he came out, I then took out my M4 as he was going to continue doing this (/enter and /exit abusing) all day long.
When he exited I gunned him down as he was trying to re-enter the building. The suspect was standing still as he was trying to re-enter the building.
As there were so many officers already on the scene, it was safe to assume at least one had told him to surrender by the time I shot him.

And from the start of your logs
[16:29:38] ***[9774] Padres.(8): Erm... < Witness can confirm that the suspect did not move

Padres was inside the building when I shot the suspect, please don't try twist things.
As you can see Padres doesn't know what happened to the suspect here;
[16:29:55] ***[9774] Padres.(8): He is jailed?



~Regards
Devin "MadBoi" Seville

[Padres_Rosso]

Let's start off from the beginning then, there were 4 ARPD Officers on the ground when I landed, as well as Mr Bridges over here.
They storm into the building which contains the suspect, the suspect then exits, as he starts getting pepper sprayed by Jason without warning, I assume the other officers had ordered him to stop and surrender already as they were inside with him.
He then exited and entered the building roughly 4-5times attempting to not get shot in the process I assume.
I sprayed him with pepper spray the first few times he came out, I then took out my M4 as he was going to continue doing this (/enter and /exit abusing) all day long.
When he exited I gunned him down as he was trying to re-enter the building. The suspect was standing still as he was trying to re-enter the building.
As there were so many officers already on the scene, it was safe to assume at least one had told him to surrender by the time I shot him.

And from the start of your logs
[16:29:38] ***[9774] Padres.(8): Erm... < Witness can confirm that the suspect did not move

Padres was inside the building when I shot the suspect, please don't try twist things.
As you can see Padres doesn't know what happened to the suspect here;
[16:29:55] ***[9774] Padres.(8): He is jailed?



~Regards
Devin "MadBoi" Seville

i did not know that you shot him down, but i knew that you had your M4.

[Jason Bridges]

pepper sprayed by Jason without warning, I assume the other officers had ordered him to stop and surrender already as they were inside with him.

I sprayed him to stop him from moving just like you did (you don't have to issue a warning before using none-lethal force)

And from the start of your logs
[16:29:38] ***[9774] Padres.(8): Erm... < Witness can confirm that the suspect did not move

Padres was inside the building when I shot the suspect, please don't try twist things.
As you can see Padres doesn't know what happened to the suspect here;
[16:29:55] ***[9774] Padres.(8): He is jailed?

My mistake, but this doesn't change anything.

He then exited and entered the building roughly 4-5times attempting to not get shot in the process I assume.
I sprayed him with pepper spray the first few times he came out, I then took out my M4 as he was going to continue doing this (/enter and /exit abusing) all day long.
When he exited I gunned him down as he was trying to re-enter the building. The suspect was standing still as he was trying to re-enter the building.
As there were so many officers already on the scene, it was safe to assume at least one had told him to surrender by the time I shot him.

You say you "assumed" they issued warnings but never bothered to issue one yourself, nor did you bother to /report for the abuse. So basically, nothing that happened justifies your actions; you got impatient and to prevent this from happening all day long, you shot a suspect who was standing still - without issuing any warnings. Lethal force is the last resort of an officer and if you had the patients and weren't so trigger happy this problem never would have arisen in the first place...

[J. Jones]

When a suspect evades without stopping, do you carry on warning him or do you start to shoot?

[MadBoi]

You say you "assumed" they issued warnings but never bothered to issue one yourself, nor did you bother to /report for the abuse. So basically, nothing that happened justifies your actions; you got impatient and to prevent this from happening all day long, you shot a suspect who was standing still - without issuing any warnings. Lethal force is the last resort of an officer and if you had the patients and weren't so trigger happy this problem never would have arisen in the first place...

I assumed he had been given plenty warning when 4 ARPD Officers ran into the building with weapons blazing.
I shot him when he was standing still, yes, that's because he was entering and exiting, therefore he can't move in any case so of course he was standing still.
There would have been no outcome if I hadn't used lethal force as in using pepper spray on him entering and exiting will only go so far.

If he would have wanted to surrender, he had plenty chance to do so while entering and exiting the building multiple times.
Not to mention he ran from officers from near Angel Pine to Foster Valley. He had no intention to surrender.

[Padres_Rosso]

You say you "assumed" they issued warnings but never bothered to issue one yourself, nor did you bother to /report for the abuse. So basically, nothing that happened justifies your actions; you got impatient and to prevent this from happening all day long, you shot a suspect who was standing still - without issuing any warnings. Lethal force is the last resort of an officer and if you had the patients and weren't so trigger happy this problem never would have arisen in the first place...

I assumed he had been given plenty warning when 4 ARPD Officers ran into the building with weapons blazing.
I shot him when he was standing still, yes, that's because he was entering and exiting, therefore he can't move in any case so of course he was standing still.
There would have been no outcome if I hadn't used lethal force as in using pepper spray on him entering and exiting will only go so far.

If he would have wanted to surrender, he had plenty chance to do so while entering and exiting the building multiple times.
Not to mention he ran from officers from near Angel Pine to Foster Valley. He had no intention to surrender.

Just one Sentence..
To Protect and Serve, NOT to kill and suspect

[J. Jones]

When a suspect evades without stopping, do you carry on warning him or do you start to shoot?

[MadBoi]

If he/she shows no intention of surrendering via non-lethal methods, you shoot.

[Padres_Rosso]

If he/she shows no intention of surrendering via non-lethal methods, you shoot.

Interesting...I read different things here...
-Suspect is idle -- You must use ONLY pepper spray or baton, if they fail to comprehend after warnings, and you cannot apprehend, you may use baton or pepper spray to take down. (If suspect is armed with fire-arm while idle, you still must only use pepper spray or baton, it is advised you have another Officer to cover you with a gun).
You MUST take him down via non-lethal methods, No shooting on idle suspects and he was Idle. He just re-entered and re-exited.

[MadBoi]

Beating a suspect with a batton whilst they are doing /enter and /exit is no option.

[Jason Bridges]

If he/she shows no intention of surrendering via non-lethal methods, you shoot.

No you don't, you keep using non lethal methods. Since when do you shoot someone for not cooperating?

Beating a suspect with a batton whilst they are doing /enter and /exit is no option.

using /enter and /exit was abuse and you should have reported it, not killed a standing suspect, especially without any warnings...

[MadBoi]

using /enter and /exit was abuse and you should have reported it, not killed a standing suspect, especially without any warnings...

You could have reported him too, but you did not.

[Jason Bridges]

using /enter and /exit was abuse and you should have reported it, not killed a standing suspect, especially without any warnings...

You could have reported him too, but you did not.

Because I was waiting for him to stop. Unlike you, who decided to deathmatch him because you felt impatient. How does me not reporting him affect what you've done in any way?

[KhornateMonkey]

/enter and /exit abuse, I would have done the same thing as MadBoi, even when I was in SAPD. He's clearly doing it on purpose, not "not co-operating". It was quicker to deal with it there then to contact admins, mainly because they're dealing with hackers and other players(just thought I would pop in, even if my comment won't be taking into consideration). Also, I don't see the victim complaining.

[MadBoi]

He was abusing the commands and would not have given up at any point, there was no need to waste administrators time to deal with someone that we could easily deal with ourselves.
And once again I say, he wasn't standing still, he was constantly entering and exiting the building, don't class that as standing still as that's still technically moving as he is still going in and out.

[Jason Bridges]

He was abusing the commands and would not have given up at any point, there was no need to waste administrators time to deal with someone that we could easily deal with ourselves.
And once again I say, he wasn't standing still, he was constantly entering and exiting the building, don't class that as standing still as that's still technically moving as he is still going in and out.

Every time I reply to something we seem to be going round in circles repeating the same things so I'm just going to make one final point then done here; waiting for command to make a decision. I can now understand a bit more why you did this, but the shooting combined with not issuing any warnings was very poor practice and I can only urge you to choose non-lethal options over lethal ones. Even in situations with people abusing commands I don't agree with your idea of killing someone to save time.

[Tom Adams]

Any other evidence apart from theese chatlogs ?

[Jason Bridges]

Any other evidence apart from theese chatlogs ?

No, that's all of it